The good news is that...

[Angelsjunky]

...the Angels didn't extend Bundy. What a bust - I guess 2020 was not the breakthrough we hoped for. 6.02 ERA through 8 starts.  I know, I know: a 4.05 FIP, but...

[UndertheHalo]

Just now, Angelsjunky said:

...the Angels didn't extend Bundy. What a bust - I guess 2020 was not the breakthrough we hoped for. 6.02 ERA through 8 starts.  I know, I know: a 4.05 FIP, but...

Who are they going to replace him with ? They probably need to bring him back.  At least now they won’t have to pay him like he’s an all star. 

[Docwaukee]

I thought this was a .500 team at it's worst.  They just suck right now 

[UndertheHalo]

I still think they’ll end up being about a .500 team. 

[failos]

15 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I still think they’ll end up being about a .500 team. 

We’ll get a top 3 draft pick at this rate.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, failos said:

We’ll get a top 3 draft pick at this rate.

I truly believe we can get number 1

[Angels 1961]

32 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

...the Angels didn't extend Bundy. What a bust - I guess 2020 was not the breakthrough we hoped for. 6.02 ERA through 8 starts.  I know, I know: a 4.05 FIP, but...

His trade value goes down every start.

[failos]

4 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I truly believe we can get number 1

Nah. There are shittier teams out there.

[Angelsjunky]

30 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I thought this was a .500 team at it's worst.  They just suck right now 

Yeah, me too. I thought the wide range was 80-95, with 87 the median and my optimistic prediction being 91. 

20 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I still think they’ll end up being about a .500 team. 

Yeah, but that's the problem. They suck and then scramble back to mediocrity and we're left with a decent but not great draft pick and the perennial delusion that we're just a few savvy moves away.

So far Minasian's tenure has been an extension of Eppler's. Similar moves yielding similar results.

[Angels 1961]

Just now, failos said:

Nah. There are shittier teams out there.

That's because they have not played Angels yet.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yeah, me too. I thought the wide range was 80-95, with 87 the median and my optimistic prediction being 91. 

Yeah, but that's the problem. They suck and then scramble back to mediocrity and we're left with a decent but not great draft pick and the perennial delusion that we're just a few savvy moves away.

So far Minasian's tenure has been an extension of Eppler's. Similar moves yielding similar results.

The more things change the more they remain the same, that's the halo way

[UndertheHalo]

11 minutes ago, failos said:

We’ll get a top 3 draft pick at this rate.

 

4 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yeah, me too. I thought the wide range was 80-95, with 87 the median and my optimistic prediction being 91. 

Yeah, but that's the problem. They suck and then scramble back to mediocrity and we're left with a decent but not great draft pick and the perennial delusion that we're just a few savvy moves away.

So far Minasian's tenure has been an extension of Eppler's. Similar moves yielding similar results.

Don’t get me wrong.  If they’re not going to be good, I’d prefer that they just be very bad.  We won’t be that lucky.  

[eligrba]

27 minutes ago, failos said:

Nah. There are shittier teams out there.

Not for much longer.

[tdawg87]

They aren't getting a top 3 pick. Or a top 5 pick. This is the Angels we're talking about. They can't even suck properly. 

They'll go on a hot streak in September when they're 22 games out and end up with the 11th pick or something because moral victories.

[Mark68]

1 hour ago, failos said:

Nah. There are shittier teams out there.

Maybe, but they have exciting young kids to keep their fans entertained and give them hope for the future. What do we have ahead of us? The downslope of Trout & Rendon's careers and...not much else. Even Adell & Marsh, who were supposed to be "can't miss" prospects, are...missing.

[Revad]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

His trade value goes down every start.

Are we really at that point, and I’m not saying I couldn’t see it

[tdawg87]

AJ remember when you made that "magical" thread?

[Taylor]

5 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

I still think they’ll end up being about a .500 team. 

Yeah, I could see them going like 17-9 in August, en route to .500 and still no shot at the playoffs.

[Angelsjunky]

2 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

AJ remember when you made that "magical" thread?

No, I forgot, because no one has reminded me.

[Lou]

20 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Yeah, I could see them going like 17-9 in August, en route to .500 and still no shot at the playoffs.

.500 in August will give us a shot at the playoffs.

[Inside Pitch]

Statcast

ProjectionsMinor LeaguesRegular MLB Seasons

Season	Team	Level	Events	EV	maxEV	LA	Barrels	Barrel%	HardHit	HardHit%	ERA	xERA
2016	BAL	MLB	322	87.5	108.2	17.1	17	5.3%	100	31.1%	4.02	4.34
2017	BAL	MLB	488	88.8	115.2	19.4	34	7.0%	178	36.5%	4.24	4.39
2018	BAL	MLB	506	89.3	116.8	17.4	41	8.1%	189	37.4%	5.45	4.51
2019	BAL	MLB	474	88.2	113.4	14.0	25	5.3%	151	31.9%	4.79	4.29
2020	LAA	MLB	174	87.0	106.9	14.5	8	4.6%	57	32.8%	3.29	3.06
2021	LAA	MLB	126	87.2	111.1	13.8	12	9.5%	38	30.2%	6.02	3.53
Total	- - -	MLB	2090	88.3	116.8	16.6	137	6.6%	713	34.1%	4.63

ProjectionsMinor LeaguesRegular MLB SeasonsAverages

Season	Team	Level	K/9	BB/9	K/BB	HR/9	K%	BB%	K-BB%	AVG	WHIP	BABIP	LOB%	ERA-	FIP-	FIP
2012	BAL	MLB	0.00	5.40	0.00	0.00	0.0%	16.7%	-16.7%	.200	1.20	.200	100.0%	0	114	4.89
2016	BAL	MLB	8.53	3.45	2.48	1.48	21.9%	8.9%	13.1%	.256	1.38	.299	79.7%	95	107	4.70
2017	BAL	MLB	8.06	2.71	2.98	1.38	21.8%	7.3%	14.5%	.238	1.20	.273	73.7%	95	96	4.38
2018	BAL	MLB	9.65	2.83	3.41	2.15	24.5%	7.2%	17.3%	.272	1.41	.316	69.3%	128	117	5.17
2019	BAL	MLB	9.02	3.23	2.79	1.61	23.1%	8.3%	14.9%	.253	1.35	.297	70.5%	104	99	4.73
2020	LAA	MLB	9.87	2.33	4.24	0.69	27.0%	6.4%	20.6%	.207	1.04	.272	69.2%	75	65	2.95
2021	LAA	MLB	9.55	2.49	3.83	1.45	24.7%	6.5%	18.3%	.250	1.27	.303	57.2%	148	99	4.07
Total	- - -	MLB	8.96	2.92	3.06	1.57	23.4%	7.6%	15.7%	.250	1.30	.294	71.6%	106	101	4.55

Career OPS over .900 in Fenway...

 

[Dtwncbad]

Bundy turned back into Bundy.  I am not really shocked.  His breakout seemed like Cinderella and midnight was always coming.

Optimistically it looks like he is perfectly capable of logging some really good starts. But objectively I am not expecting great overall results.

And this is more or less true about just about the entire starting pitching staff.

When you realistically should not expect great overall results, you are going to end up without great overall results over a long 162 games.

This isn’t brain surgery.

The frustration is this analysis is nothing new.  Did we really have to burn another season to know this?

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

22 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

I still think they’ll end up being about a .500 team. 

They need to start winning at home first.  Even past sub 500 seasons we did that but lately that's not even the case.

[Angelsjunky]

As I was saying.

6.50 ERA now. 6.50! 

Bundy essentializes the Angels this year. The question before the start of the year was whether he could sustain his 2020 performance and establish himself as a true #2, or if he would drop back to his #4 status of previous years. He's actually become far worse than even that. Is he broken?