Mike Trout back in LF

[Blarg]

Don't quote me stats.

Ok, we will remove facts out of the discussion and you can make up whatever you want and say it is the truth.

[Reveille1984]

"Don't quote me stats" is a special kind of special. 

[Stradling]

cal, you are trying to hard. Oh and you are just plain wrong. I love Trout but his routes to balls are not clean and watching him run to the gap, slow just a bit, then dive only to miss the ball was getting a bit old. Especially knowing that we have a better option on the DL.

[Hollyw00d]

In 256 games started Bourjos has 6 errors and 20 outfield assists.

In 233 games started Trout has 8 errors and 3 outfield assists.

Those two stats are nearly meaningless in measuring the true defensive ability of fielders

[Mark68]

This is silly, the only people who are up in arms about this move are people who already can't stand Sosh.

 

It could be minorly debatable, but in the annals of bad moves, this doesn't cause a blip.

I can't stand Sosh, but I think the OF is MUCH better with Trout in LF and Bourjos in CF. This whole "he hits better in center" opinion is pure garbage. His position in the field has nothing to do with his production at the plate.

[Hollyw00d]

Trout 2013

As LF: .321 wOBA 105 wRC+

As CF: .428 wOBA 178wRC+

Yes, clearly garbage and untrue.

[Lifetime]

What is it you think that proves hollywood? 

[Hollyw00d]

It proves he is a better player in centerfield.

[Tyler]

That it's becoming an issue.

[Lifetime]

It proves he is a better player in centerfield.

Uh, no it doesnt. 

 

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[Lifetime]

That it's becoming an issue.

What's becoming an issue? 

[Tyler]

So sexy when you speak big bang theory.

[Hollyw00d]

Uh, no it doesnt. 

 

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

What the hell are you saying???

[Mudville]

Those two stats are nearly meaningless in measuring the true defensive ability of fielders

I will admit that errors are less of an indicator but outfield assists cannot be discounted. Unless you are CALSUF who doesn't want to hear about stats.

[Jim]

I guess I'm the only one who pays attention when he does everything right but catch the ball.

Or perhaps my perception is a special kind of wrong.

Naw.

 

 

In 256 games started Bourjos has 6 errors and 20 outfield assists.

In 233 games started Trout has 8 errors and 3 outfield assists.

 

 

Those two stats are nearly meaningless in measuring the true defensive ability of fielders

 

 

Trout 2013

As LF: .321 wOBA 105 wRC+

As CF: .428 wOBA 178wRC+

Yes, clearly garbage and untrue.

 

 

Uh, no it doesnt. 

 

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

So if I have this straight, calscuf is just a normal kind of wrong, Hollyw00d only uses stats that advance his position on the subject, and LT is boning up on his law Latin. Cool.

Oh, and Trout playing in LF won't matter one way or another.  

[Mark68]

Trout 2013

As LF: .321 wOBA 105 wRC+

As CF: .428 wOBA 178wRC+

Yes, clearly garbage and untrue.

Yes it is garbage and untrue. Just because Trout got hot at about the same time that Bourjos went on the DL does not mean that it has any relation to the corresponding move to CF. It could be that Trout was in a slump in April (it happens) and he got hot after making some adjustments at the plate. It could be that his getting hot also corresponded to his being moved to second in the order (which can have a measurable effect on one's performance at the plate, unlike a change in fielding position).

 

To those who think that Trout is a better HITTER because of where he plays in the OUTFIELD, show me actual empirical evidence. I equate this "theory" (in quotes because there is no scientific or empirical evidence supporting it) to that of "Intelligent Design".

[markb]

- Trout takes over CF for Bourjos in 2012 and puts together one of the greatest rookie campaigns of all time

- Bourjos moves Trout back to LF in 2013 and Trout sucks for a month

- Bourjos goes on the DL and Trout ascends to chosen-one status in CF again

 

The only logical conclusion is that Mike Trout hates Peter Bourjos.  

[Brent Maguire]

- Trout takes over CF for Bourjos in 2012 and puts together one of the greatest rookie campaigns of all time

- Bourjos moves Trout back to LF in 2013 and Trout sucks for a month

- Bourjos goes on the DL and Trout ascends to chosen-one status in CF again

 

The only logical conclusion is that MIke Trout hates Peter Bourjos.  

This is a more valid argument than saying playing left field hurts his offense. 

[Mark68]

1st inning: Trout is hitting .217/.277/.417/.694.

2nd inning: Trout is hitting .111/.111/.333/.444.

9th inning: Trout is hitting .235/.381/.294/.675.

Extra innings: Trout is hitting .125/.222/.125/.347

 

All other innings: Trout is hitting: .361/.494/.663/1.157

 

Conclusion: Trout should only bat from the 3rd-8th innings.

 

I can play the correlation game as well.

[Lifetime]

So if I have this straight, calscuf is just a normal kind of wrong, Hollyw00d only uses stats that advance his position on the subject, and LT is boning up on his law Latin. Cool.

Oh, and Trout playing in LF won't matter one way or another.

law Latin?

[Brent Maguire]

Harold Reynolds argues every day that Trout should be in CF and moving to left affects his offense.

 

If you're agreeing with Harold Reynolds, you might want to rethink this issue. 

[Mark68]

Harold Reynolds argues every day that Trout should be in CF and moving to left affects his offense.

 

If you're agreeing with Harold Reynolds, you might want to rethink this issue. 

He just did, once again, on "MLB Now". As Brian Kenney mentioned to him, "This is your pet project."

[Brent Maguire]

He just did, once again, on "MLB Now". As Brian Kenney mentioned to him, "This is your pet project."

Yup that's what I'm watching. He says it's "unfair" to move him around like this. 

 

Harold Reynolds is one of the most narrow minded analysts I've ever seen in sports so I have no reason to even try to side with his reasoning. 

[Lhalo]

So..... PBJ seems to be doing well at Camden Yards.

[Brent Maguire]

Awesome play Peter!