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Baseball America: “They [Angels] have no bullpen,” one opposing scout said. “It’s going to be a big issue.”


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1 hour ago, Pancake Bear said:

'Unnamed sources are usually made up and shouldn't be take seriously' is definitely a take. Lol. 

Right up there with only millionaires should pay for parking.

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The bottom line issue is not burning out the candles along the way!

I was really interested in bringing another closer like a Rosenthal and or a Hand. 

Having 2 closers and one going every other game and having a strong lefty available who could also get out right handed hitters and a couple solid setup guys would help.

I feel Buttery has stalled in his development and I blame the last 2 pitching coaches (Nagy & White) and over use.

Overall, if you watch the SPT games the guys who are doing well pound the strike zone. The ones that havent been pick around it!

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On 3/25/2021 at 11:38 AM, Angelsjunky said:

Kinda. The problem is that most years it sucks. If the attitude is always, "it might be good so let's not do much but pick up a few random arms," then chances are it will generally suck. And that's been the approach that the Angels have taken for some years now.

That said, C Rod and Sandoval could go a long way to improving the pen. Maybe Suarez finally puts it together. Some potential there.

 

Genius.

On 3/25/2021 at 11:42 AM, Jeff Fletcher said:

This.

I don’t believe anyone can evaluate a bullpen in spring training. Guys throw very few innings. Also, it doesn’t take much to swing a bullpen from being bad to good or vice versa, even within a season. 

I agree.

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“The bullpen is a crapshoot” is a ridiculous moneyball mantra that got them into this situation.  

If you take the statement to mean your collection of very good relievers can collectively have a bad year, then yes, it’s a crapshooot.  

If you think you can throw together a pile of dog shit and have it turn a winning bullpen then you deserve to lose.

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Big surprise, throwing your hands up and hoping for the best has failed to yield results for the nth straight year. Can't wait to do this again next year.

And not surprisingly, the two players that actually represented meaningful investment/development - CRod and Iglesias - have been the only two relievers to yield good results. 

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There have been alot of question marks with certain move's the angels have made...

Why isn't Pena in the Bullpen? he's had sucess, yet he's only thown 1.2 innings? why? there are more benfits with him in the Bp than some of the other guys.

Why chance Mayers sequences? last year he threw sliders most of the time, than the 4 seam and lastly cutters, This year he's thrown more cutters than any thing and has found little sucess with that pitch. Why not have him throw more four seams and slider and lower the cutter usage? His slider and 4 seam are still deadly. 

What the F is up with Barria? why isn't he getting a shot? we wasted 8 Mil on Quintana, 8 Mil on Harvey, just Barria has out pithed them..just why? We can easily spend 8 mil on spot we need to fix, rather than try to sign a 4/5. We wasted 2 years of cheap control, which was stupid. 

If the guys we have are not working, why not call up the guys in the Minor, they can't be any worst than what we have. Call up ortega, Higgins, Taylor and DFa the garbage in the Bp.

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And on the next episode of Blossom.  

Bundy will rebound to his elite level in 2020, and the starting pitching will just need some tinkering.  That and a healthy Trout and Rendon will be enough to get us to the playoffs.

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2 hours ago, cals said:

“The bullpen is a crapshoot” is a ridiculous moneyball mantra that got them into this situation.  

If you take the statement to mean your collection of very good relievers can collectively have a bad year, then yes, it’s a crapshooot.  

If you think you can throw together a pile of dog shit and have it turn a winning bullpen then you deserve to lose.

If the bullpen was truly a crapshoot then we would see random shifts among teams with the best bullpens.  Yet we frequently see teams with consistently good bullpens with only exception being outlier years.

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12 minutes ago, stormngt said:

If the bullpen was truly a crapshoot then we would see random shifts among teams with the best bullpens.  Yet we frequently see teams with consistently good bullpens with only exception being outlier years.

Would it make more sense if we just said acquiring bullpen arms in free agency is a crapshoot?  Because it is.  

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