Who do you got? Darin Erstad or Garret Anderson

[stormngt]

7 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I know. Which is why I said "career-wise." 

Anyhow, drafted by Angels/career Angels fWAR, games or games started:

1. 75.7 Trout, 1252 games
2. 46.0 Finley, 379 GS
3. 35.4 Salmon, 1672 games
4. 34.5 Witt, 272 GS
5. 31.4 Weaver, 322 GS
6. 30.4 Tanana, 218 GS
7. 27.6 Erstad, 1320 games
8. 27.1 Lackey, 233 GS
9. 26.3 Anderson, 2013 games
10. 23.1 Kendrick, 1081 games
11. 22.2 Figgins, 936 games
12. 20.7 Glaus, 827 games

I think there's an argument that Kendrick, Figgins, and Glaus deserve to be ranked over Anderson. They put up only a bit less value and in about half or less games played. Witt also hasn't gotten any love.

 

I am sorry, but I have become convinced that WAR is a BS stat.

There is no way you can convince me Figgins and Kendrick were better players for the Angel's that Anderson.

Edited February 17, 2021 by stormngt

[Torridd]

6 hours ago, T.G. said:

Anderson > Erstad.

Anderson easy.

[Torridd]

5 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

If the list is for homegrown players and how good their careers were period..

Trout
Edmonds
Finley
Salmon
Glaus
 

Glaus higher than GA? I don't think so.

[Torridd]

5 hours ago, T.G. said:

Ha! Was this an actual movie? I guess the one when he was a con artist. I didn't see that one. 

[Torridd]

5 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Career-wise I'd also rank Devon White and maybe Wally Joyner over Erstad and Anderson, but they spent a lot of years outside the org. 

Devon White over Salmon and GA? Uhh.

[T.G.]

3 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Ha! Was this an actual movie? I guess the one when he was a con artist. I didn't see that one. 

Wolf of Wall Street.

[Torridd]

3 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Wolf of Wall Street.

Ha! Wow! I actually saw that one and don't remember that scene! I have to see that again just for that! Thanks! 

[Inside Pitch]

12 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Glaus higher than GA? I don't think so.

Career OPS+ of 119 .vs 102  
Career bWAR of 38.1 .vs 25.7   
Career fWAR of 34.3 .vs 24.0

The sky is blue on my planet -- what's it like on yours?

[Torridd]

7 hours ago, Michifan said:

Bollinger has a top five homegrown players article. He gives his top five that were drafted by the club and then played for them. I like the top five overall but wonder about his #4. He has Erstad, and it's hard to overlook Erstad's defense and his couple of really good years. But he neglects Garret Anderson. I think it's a tough call. Weave as #5 makes sense so that you have two pitchers-Finley and Weave. 

So I'm curious to what others think for #4 Erstad and his gold gloves and one phenomenal season or Anderson's stead contributions over his career. According to Wikipedia, "He holds Angels franchise records for career games played (2,013), at bats (7,989), hits (2,368), runs scored (1,024), runs batted in (RBI) (1,292), total bases (3,743), extra base hits (796), singles (1,572), doubles (489), grand slams (8), RBI in a single game (10) and consecutive games with an RBI (12)" That's pretty impressive. 

I guess it's like asking which child you like most. Maybe it needed to be a tie and have six actual listed. 

Bollinger bollixed that list. No way does Erstad come before GA. I'm a bit embarrassed for him.

[Torridd]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

Career OPS+ of 119 .vs 102  
Career bWAR of 38.1 .vs 25.7   
Career fWAR of 34.3 .vs 24.0

The sky is blue on my planet -- what's it like on yours?

I disagree with you wholeheartedly. We'll leave it at that.

[Torridd]

4 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Career OPS+ of 119 .vs 102  
Career bWAR of 38.1 .vs 25.7   
Career fWAR of 34.3 .vs 24.0

The sky is blue on my planet -- what's it like on yours?

I was looking at Glaus' stats and I liken this to when Canseco won the ROY over Joyner. Oh, I was steamed about that. But the voters felt Canseco was best because his power numbers were better.

[ScottT]

I think Erstad and Anderson is a closer comparison then Salmon and Anderson. 

Offensive WAR is legit.  Defense less so, but definitely passes the eye test in the long run. 

I think the strictly WAR comparisons for different types of players...  are sketchy.  

[tdawg87]

22 minutes ago, stormngt said:

I am sorry, but I have become convinced that WAR is a BS stat.

There is no way you cam convince me Figgins and Kendrick were better players for the Angel's that Anderson.

That's good, because Anderson is ranked higher than them.

You might be surprised to hear that Kendrick had a higher career OPS+ than GA.

I think people remember GA so fondly because of his health and longevity (which is very important, don't get me wrong). But other than that? He played average defense at best in left field, and had a career .327 OBP with the Angels. 

He was a very good pure hit guy, but that's it. He didn't steal bases, didn't have great power, and didn't get on base.

I love Garret, he's one of my all time favorite Angels, but when you take feelings out of the matter, you realize he really wasn't that great.

[tdawg87]

11 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I disagree with you wholeheartedly. We'll leave it at that.

You disagree with stats?

[T.G.]

10 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I disagree with you wholeheartedly. We'll leave it at that.

The world is flat.

 

[Michifan]

Well I will say this, I'd take Erstad at first base and Anderson in left field for this season. 

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I was looking at Glaus' stats and I liken this to when Canseco won the ROY over Joyner. Oh, I was steamed about that. But the voters felt Canseco was best because his power numbers were better.

Funny, because it wasn't the power that made the difference for me, it was the ability to get on base and avoid making outs.  

Glaus' career OBP of .358 is better than anything Anderson did in any one season.  Like GA, his defense was underrated.   The only thing Anderson had on Glaus was longevity.

[Inside Pitch]

23 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I disagree with you wholeheartedly. We'll leave it at that.

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Michifan said:

Well I will say this, I'd take Erstad at first base and Anderson in left field for this season. 

Id take Erstad in CF, Trout in LF and Upton with a helmet and chest protector in RF for this season.

[Inside Pitch]

15 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You disagree with stats?

2>10..   Let's leave it at that.

[Stradling]

3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

You're massively under rating Devo.  Its just unfortunate for us that his best play came after they traded him.  Big knock on him from me is that he was primarily a leadoff guy who wasn't that good at getting on base.  But good lord could he defend and run the bases.

He had the ability to go get the ball with those long strides.  We have had some GREAT defensive centerfielders.  Hell Trout is barely top 5 defensively for CFers.  I would go Erstad, Edmonds, Pettis, Devo and Bourjos are all better defensively than Trout.  

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, Torridd said:

I disagree with you wholeheartedly. We'll leave it at that.

(ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE TOOK STEROIDS?)

shhh.  

[Torridd]

1 hour ago, ScottT said:

I think Erstad and Anderson is a closer comparison then Salmon and Anderson. 

Offensive WAR is legit.  Defense less so, but definitely passes the eye test in the long run. 

I think the strictly WAR comparisons for different types of players...  are sketchy.  

I also disagree with this. I mean, I love Erstad, who doesn't, but I think Salmon and Anderson are very close stats-wise.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Torridd said:

but I think Salmon and Anderson are very close stats-wise.

Oh boy.

[beatlesrule]

Erstads 2000 season is better than any Anderson had. 8.7 fWAR to GA's best of 5.1.

I don't see how anyone could think GA was better than Salmon but GA vs Erstad is a more comparable discussion.