Angels sign Jose Quintana (1 year, $8 million)

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

This is a great point too.  We are really strong in terms of infield defense after the acquisition of Iglesias.  Should fit nicely on our staff.

[bloodbrother]

Exactly the avenue I wanted them to go. Now just trade for someone like Sonny Gray next

[disarcina]

there's the answer  - the front office approach - Quintana is a serviceable veteran starter. Can eat some innings I presume,.

make 30 or so starts. Quintana had some very good years in Chicago - White Sox and then the Cubs. 

But it's more of the same a serviceable veteran - not the strong top of the rotation guy we'd prefer. So once again - unless we're out there making a deal for Bauer behind the scenes (don't see him coming here - but anything's possible I guess) it's another 'let's make do' rotation in 2021.

now Quintana at $8 million for 2021 I a pretty good deal - and if he's the fourth / fifth starter I'm OK with that. But I think the Halos plan on him being more of a number 2 or 3 rotation guy and will go with that. More of the same - Halos fans have seen this movie before.

[bloodbrother]

3 minutes ago, Bronson said:

I think this might take us out of the running for Bauer. I see a big trade coming for our ace. Hope I’m wrong.

Hope you're right.

[Bronson]

2 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

This signing was fantastic.  Lots of financial flexibility for us still, too.

Never said it was a bad signing. Just said it might take us out of the running for Bauer. I see them trading for a 1-2 starter and using the remaining money for position and bullpen depth.

[Erstad Grit]

If this sets up a Bauer signing then awesome. However he looks like a 3/4 SP with some potential to rebound. This feels like Teheran all over again. Again coupled with Bauer that's great because he'd be a 4 in our rotation. Let's not pretend this guy alone even remotely pushes the needle. 

[Warfarin]

Just now, Bronson said:

Never said it was a bad signing. Just said it might take us out of the running for Bauer. I see them trading for a 1-2 starter and using the remaining money for position and bullpen depth.

Long-term contracts to SPs generally aren't that great.  I would prefer to trade prospect capital for someone like Gray than signing Bauer to a huge deal, personally.

[Warfarin]

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

If this sets up a Bauer signing then awesome. However he looks like a 3/4 SP with some potential to rebound. This feels like Teheran all over again. Again coupled with Bauer that's great because he'd be a 4 in our rotation. Let's not pretend this guy alone even remotely pushes the needle. 

He's a 3-4 fWAR pitcher when healthy.  That does help quite a bit, IMO.  He is no ace, but for 1/8, that's a steal in terms of value upside.

[tdawg87]

Ok I like it but we need a starter beyond 2021.

[Revad]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

I always had the feeling the character Eddie Harris from Major Leagues was based on Don Sutton in his final years.

 

 

7 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

1 year and 8 million for Quintana. How the hell did we give 11 million to Matt Harvey?

Desperate?

[Angels 1961]

First I do not think Bauer will get 30 mill a year, more like 25. Quintana looks like a good signing. Down side looks like same type of deal with Teheran last year. Hope it turns out like a steal for Angels.

[Second Base]

As long as he's the second or, I'm fine with this. 

I'm especially fine with him choosing less than Kluber.

[Erstad Grit]

My friend who is a die hard Cubs fan just said he's more like a really good 3 if anyone cares. 

[Stradling]

Any chance they still go after Bauer and look to trade Heaney to get some money back?

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

No different Thant the Teheran signing to me. Not expecting much from it. Get Bauer or Gray please. 

[Lou]

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

My friend who is a die hard Cubs fan just said he's more like a really good 3 if anyone cares. 

I do 

[rafibomb]

The only thing Quintana is comparable to the other 1-year deals given by the Angels like Harvey and Teheran is the length of the deal. The comparison ends at that. Quintana is a MUCH better pitcher than any of them. Quintana has had a FIP of 2.99, 3.80, 4.43 and 3.68 the last 4 seasons. Teheran's FIP the last 4 seasons before signing were 4.66, 4.83, 4.95 and 3.69. Quintana's peripherals are the anti-Teheran.

Edited January 20, 2021 by rafibomb

[Stradling]

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

My friend who is a die hard Cubs fan just said he's more like a really good 3 if anyone cares. 

I care.  I really good #3 is valuable.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

2 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

If this sets up a Bauer signing then awesome. However he looks like a 3/4 SP with some potential to rebound. This feels like Teheran all over again. Again coupled with Bauer that's great because he'd be a 4 in our rotation. Let's not pretend this guy alone even remotely pushes the needle. 

Quintana is certainly better than Teheran.

[Bronson]

This only makes sense if we get an ace or a #2 with the potential to become an ace. 
 

Let’s see what Perry does in the next few days. Should be very interesting.

[Vlad27Trout27]

Not bad, not here's my question. 

With Quintana, we have Bundy,Heaney, Canning,Ohtani and Barria, that's enough for a 6 man rotation. I truly believe that Barria should get a fair shot. Now the question(s) that needs to be asked;

1. Are we out of Bauer?

2. Is a trade coming up?

3. Is Ohtani not fully healthy

4 is Quintana the backup plan if we miss out on Bauer?

 

[Warfarin]

4 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

The only thing Quintana comparable to the other 1-year deals given by the Angels like Harvey and Teheran is the length of the deal. The comparison ends at that. Quintana is a MUCH better pitcher than any of them. Quintana has had a FIP of 2.99, 3.80, 4.43 and 3.68 the last 4 seasons. Teheran's FIP the last 4 seasons before signing were 4.66, 4.83, 4.95 and 4.95. Quintana's peripherals are the anti-Teheran.

Absolutely.  Those who are freaking out because it is a one year deal are misguided.  Quintana is significantly better than Harvey, Tehearan, etc.

[Erstad Grit]

1 minute ago, Cosmo_Kramer said:

Quintana is certainly better than Teheran.

2019 Teheran 3.81 era, 1.32 whip

2019 Quintana 4.68 era, 1.38 whip 

2018 Teheran was better too

[Angels 1961]

5 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

The only thing Quintana comparable to the other 1-year deals given by the Angels like Harvey and Teheran is the length of the deal. The comparison ends at that. Quintana is a MUCH better pitcher than any of them. Quintana has had a FIP of 2.99, 3.80, 4.43 and 3.68 the last 4 seasons. Teheran's FIP the last 4 seasons before signing were 4.66, 4.83, 4.95 and 4.95. Quintana's peripherals are the anti-Teheran.

If he pitches like that he is a steal at that price. 

[UndertheHalo]

It’s fine.  But the angels really do need more than this.