Darvish may be available

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

https://www.mlb.com/news/why-cubs-should-trade-yu-darvish

Whoa! Cubs have a surprise trade chip

There’s been a lot of trade chatter swirling around Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant, who is heading into his final year before free agency, as well as shortstop Javier Báez and first baseman Anthony Rizzo.

But if Chicago truly wants to shake up its roster and improve its chances of building a consistent World Series title contender in the years to come, it needs to put another star on the trade block: right-hander Yu Darvish, who is signed for another three years and owed $59 million.

It wouldn’t be an easy decision for president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer. Darvish finished second in the National League Cy Young Award race after posting a 2.01 ERA with a 0.96 WHIP and 93 K’s in 76 innings this past season.

But here’s why the Cubs should consider it.

[totdprods]

Darvish would be great if we miss out on Bauer.

Shouldn’t cost as much as other top arms in trade. Could be a great presence for Ohtani.

[wopphil]

I’d prefer to target Carlos Carrasco, but Darvish would be a good pickup. 

[Taylor]

On 7/22/2017 at 11:19 PM, tdawg87 said:

Fuck Yu, we got Yu 

 

On 12/28/2017 at 4:14 AM, ELEVEN said:

F Yu

We got Yu?

 

On 12/11/2019 at 12:05 AM, ten ocho recon scout said:

fuck Us, we got yu!

 

On 11/17/2020 at 10:17 AM, m0nkey said:

So 10 years later we’re trying for “Fuck Pujols, we got Yu!”

 

[Angel Oracle]

Carrasco is more durable than Darvish, and owed 3 years as well but for $7 million less per season.

Both are 33/34.

[Warfarin]

34 minutes ago, wopphil said:

I’d prefer to target Carlos Carrasco, but Darvish would be a good pickup. 

Carrasco is a great target.  The Indians appear desperate to unload salary.  Carrasco likely would not cost too much in a trade - certainly not Adell, Marsh, etc.  We can probably build a trade around Jackson or someone in that tier of prospect.

[wopphil]

While I assume Plesac isn’t available, and that the Indians wouldn’t be willing to trade both Carrasco and Plesac, it’s fun to think about acquiring both. The cost would be tremendous, but it would solve the rotation issues and leave lots of money to address RF and catcher. 

[Warfarin]

5 minutes ago, wopphil said:

While I assume Plesac isn’t available, and that the Indians wouldn’t be willing to trade both Carrasco and Plesac, it’s fun to think about acquiring both. The cost would be tremendous, but it would solve the rotation issues and leave lots of money to address RF and catcher. 

Yeah, I'm guessing Pleasac won't be available, since he isn't arbitration eligible yet and the Indians likely want to hang onto as many good, cheap young players as possible.

Still, we could potentially swing trades for both Darvish and Carrasco, which would add ~32mil in salary, but we'd be gaining significant value with a much shorter contract term than Bauer would require.

[totdprods]

Haven’t really seen any indication the Indians are interested in moving Carrasco though, aside from them just generally trying to shed payroll.

With his cancer bout he seems to be a big piece of that team’s heart and soul. 

[T.G.]

Looks like Theo picked a good time to bail.

[CanadianHalo]

And guess who Yu texted a lot when he was struggling with his command in 2019 for advice?

 

Bauer.

[Dtwncbad]

In terms of potential trades, I would rather spend more prospect capital and get a younger starter than Darvish.

But I get it.  Sometimes you have to consider possible deals instead of deals you wish were possible.

[CanadianHalo]

Anyone have any idea how Maddon’s relationship with Yu was? 

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Carrasco is more durable than Darvish, and owed 3 years as well but for $7 million less per season.

Both are 33/34.

Just wondering if anyone has started to look at durability differently over the last couple of years?

It used to be: “This guy is more durable” based on their actual injury history.

Now I find myself thinking: “This guy already had his TJ vs this guy that hasn’t yet.”

[Dtwncbad]

3 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Anyone have any idea how Maddon’s relationship with Yu was? 

Massages.  Mostly professional.

[angelsnationtalk]

22 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

And guess who Yu texted a lot when he was struggling with his command in 2019 for advice?

 

Bauer.

Bauer and Darvish to the Angels confirmed. 

[Second Base]

I might catch some heat for saying this, but I prefer Darvish to Bauer. Darvish has been an ace for a long time, and I think it would just be cool to have the two best pitchers in Japanese history (from a tools standpoint) pitching for the Angels at the same time. Plus Darvish is under control only three years, making it less of a risk if he bombs and he's going to command less in finances than Bauer. There's also the familiarity with Maddon.

I think Yu Darvish perfectly fits what this team needs right now.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Second Base

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Warfarin said:

Carrasco is a great target.  The Indians appear desperate to unload salary.  Carrasco likely would not cost too much in a trade - certainly not Adell, Marsh, etc.  We can probably build a trade around Jackson or someone in that tier of prospect.

And Carrasco has worked extensively under Callaway’s tutelage in the past.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Darvish was nails last year but it was a short season, he's 34, owed 59M through the next 3 seasons and hasn't pitched more than 180 innings since 2013.  If he's the best the Angels can do as far as bringing in a starter sure but I don't think he should be one of the primary targets. 

[yk9001]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Darvish was nails last year but it was a short season, he's 34, owed 59M through the next 3 seasons and hasn't pitched more than 180 innings since 2013.  If he's the best the Angels can do as far as bringing in a starter sure but I don't think he should be one of the primary targets. 

How come your screen name is Catwhoshatinthehat, but your avatar says Cat who shat in *his* hat?

 

[totdprods]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Darvish was nails last year but it was a short season, he's 34, owed 59M through the next 3 seasons and hasn't pitched more than 180 innings since 2013.  If he's the best the Angels can do as far as bringing in a starter sure but I don't think he should be one of the primary targets. 

It’s the exception, not the rule, but I could very well see Darvish age as well as Verlander, Scherzer, Kuroda, Kershaw, Greinke, etc. 

Some pitchers can maintain/reinvent it. I feel like Darvish already went through his real career hiccup a couple years back. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

29 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

How come your screen name is Catwhoshatinthehat, but your avatar says Cat who shat in *his* hat?

 

One of the mods made the avatar shortly after I joined the board and set it.  I have zero experience with trying to create or adjust an avatar so I just left it. 

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, wopphil said:

While I assume Plesac isn’t available, and that the Indians wouldn’t be willing to trade both Carrasco and Plesac, it’s fun to think about acquiring both. The cost would be tremendous, but it would solve the rotation issues and leave lots of money to address RF and catcher. 

I’m thinking it’s better to hold on to all three key OF prospects (Adell, Marsh, Adams) for another season.

Then if Adams has had good success in AA by the end of the 2021 season, Adell would be more likely to be dealt and hopefully having had a big AAA season and some success late in the season up here?

Edited December 10, 2020 by Angel Oracle

[Taylor]

10 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

One of the mods made the avatar shortly after I joined the board and set it.  I have zero experience with trying to create or adjust an avatar so I just left it. 

F'ing Blarg

[Second Base]

2 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

Anyone have any idea how Maddon’s relationship with Yu was? 

Very positive. Darvish really liked him.