The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Hubs]

Pena settled for 1.1 too. 

Angels payroll for 11 players is 142.088 million. This doesn’t include the two remaining arbitration cases which will likely fall between 8-12 million, or the as of now 13 players who will fill out the rest of the 26 man roster. But that makes real payroll between 156 and 160. 

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

[mmc]

I would not have wanted Kluber if it costs this much.  We need pitchers that are more of a certainty, couldn’t risk using that much of our budget on a guy that carries his risk

 

[tdawg87]

Ewww that reeks of Harvey

[Erstad Grit]

Kluber is a great risk at that price for a team like Yankees. We can't afford that risk. We need an ace with the highest floor. 

[mmc]

 

[tdawg87]

Yeah I'm fine with avoiding that. 

He could be great, but we need reliability. 

[Erstad Grit]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

good deal for Yankees, bad for us. Go get Bauer and Tanaka 

[mmc]

 

[m0nkey]

That’s a nice low risk get for them, assuming they’re not strapped for cash 

[jsnpritchett]

5 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Interesting that Ohtani is the only one who didn't come to an agreement before the deadline.  I imagine he's asking for a crazy amount.

[beatlesrule]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

I would not have wanted Kluber if it costs this much.  We need pitchers that are more of a certainty, couldn’t risk using that much of our budget on a guy that carries his risk

 

Eppler would be all over that.

[tdawg87]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

Interesting that Ohtani is the only one who didn't come to an agreement before the deadline.  I imagine he's asking for a crazy amount.

If he is he's nuts. He hasn't earned shit.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

If he is he's nuts. He hasn't earned shit.

Oh, I completely agree.  My guess is that the Angels (rightly) low-balled him. 

[floplag]

1/11 for Kluber is too much risk?  Man this is a rough room... 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, floplag said:

1/11 for Kluber is too much risk?  Man this is a rough room... 

Matt Harvey.

[Stradling]

Just now, floplag said:

1/11 for Kluber is too much risk?  Man this is a rough room... 

When the number one need is healthy pitching and you are up against the tax, yea, I would say it is too risky.  If they were to trade for a cost controlled young arm and then decided to sign Kluber for $11 million, sure, no issues.  But he pitched 1 inning last year, and pitched 35 innings the year before.  Also if I am not mistaken he had a shoulder injury in 2019, and those are much different for a pitcher than an elbow injury.  He averaged 218 innings for a 5 year stretch from 2014-2018, so there is real concern that his shoulder is done.  

[ScottT]

Other than the similar contract,  I dont see the Kluber/Harvey comparison.   

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Other than the similar contract,  I dont see the Kluber/Harvey comparison.   

There isn't a comparison. It's a point that it's risky as hell.

For the Yankees it's not a huge deal. For us? This means we aren't getting Bauer.

[floplag]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Matt Harvey.

Matt Harvey didnt have a showcase to show his health that I recall

[floplag]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

There isn't a comparison. It's a point that it's risky as hell.

For the Yankees it's not a huge deal. For us? This means we aren't getting Bauer.

if 11 M takes us out of Bauer, then were not getting him at all. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, floplag said:

if 11 M takes us out of Bauer, then were not getting him at all. 

How do you figure?

If he gets $30 million we can get him. Paying a third of that for Kluber makes that not possible. 

[Lou]

Kluber will hit the IL before June.

[mmc]

 

[Revad]

Otanhi I remember him is he a pitcher