The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[tdawg87]

I'm going on record that Odorizzi will be a terrible signing and his AS campaign is a total outlier.

Outside of 2019, his FIP has been awful in 4 out of the 5 years since 2016. It was 5.43 in 2017, which is horrifying. He doesn’t miss bats, and his HR rate is scary as fuck. Granted, he might benefit from pitching in Anaheim in that regard.

He's on the wrong side of 30, his pitch values are...not great, he's an extreme flyball pitcher, and his ZIPS projection has him at a 4.44 ERA for 2021 over just 120 IP. Not saying that's accurate but that sounds a lot like a disappointing Quintana season.

I don't want him.

[floplag]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm going on record that Odorizzi will be a terrible signing and his AS campaign is a total outlier.

Outside of 2019, his FIP has been awful in 4 out of the 5 years since 2016. It was 5.43 in 2017, which is horrifying. He doesn’t miss bats, and his HR rate is scary as fuck. Granted, he might benefit from pitching in Anaheim in that regard.

He's on the wrong side of 30, his pitch values are...not great, he's an extreme flyball pitcher, and his ZIPS projection has him at a 4.44 ERA for 2021 over just 120 IP. Not saying that's accurate but that sounds a lot like a disappointing Quintana season.

I don't want him.

I dont think any of us want him per se, hes just supposedly the next best option.
So ill ask you this, of he rest, who would you want?

[angelsnationtalk]

Just now, floplag said:

I dont think any of us want him per se, hes just supposedly the next best option.
So ill ask you this, of he rest, who would you want?

I think most people want Odorizzi, and I'm not convinced. 

I want Bauer or a trade for someone in the category or Gray, Hendricks, Marquez

[Tank]

15 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

btw, this thread got a little more fun again.  

would you like some eggplant fresh off the farm?

[Angel Oracle]

Even if a trade is preferable to Odorizzi, do we really want to see any of the top prospects traded after missing out on minor league ball for a year?   Better to see how they do in 2021, and then act?

[Chuck]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm going on record that Odorizzi will be a terrible signing and his AS campaign is a total outlier.

Outside of 2019, his FIP has been awful in 4 out of the 5 years since 2016. It was 5.43 in 2017, which is horrifying. He doesn’t miss bats, and his HR rate is scary as fuck. Granted, he might benefit from pitching in Anaheim in that regard.

He's on the wrong side of 30, his pitch values are...not great, he's an extreme flyball pitcher, and his ZIPS projection has him at a 4.44 ERA for 2021 over just 120 IP. Not saying that's accurate but that sounds a lot like a disappointing Quintana season.

I don't want him.

Yeah I'd rather roll the dice with Walker or Paxton than sign Odorizzi. 

[CanadianHalo]

If they’re going to throw shit at the wall again and hope something sticks give me Chris Archer. 
 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.beyondtheboxscore.com/platform/amp/2020/12/30/22188188/mlb-free-agent-every-team-in-baseball-should-be-willing-to-take-a-chance-on-chris-archer

 

 

 

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Yeah I'd rather roll the dice with Walker or Paxton than sign Odorizzi. 

But then again how many more times do we want to keep rolling the dice? 
Teheran, Harvey, Cahill, Etc....
Do we want someone who we think can harness their previous success? Or get someone who's in the middle of it?

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, angelsnationtalk said:

But then again how many more times do we want to keep rolling the dice? 
Teheran, Harvey, Cahill, Etc....
Do we want someone who we think can harness their previous success? Or get someone who's in the middle of it?

Such as?

[floplag]

10 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I think most people want Odorizzi, and I'm not convinced. 

I want Bauer or a trade for someone in the category or Gray, Hendricks, Marquez

ok but thats not the question... assume none of thats an option, of whats actually left in FA, who you got outside of Odorizzi?

[angelsnationtalk]

1 minute ago, floplag said:

ok but thats not the question... assume none of thats an option, of whats actually left in FA, who you got outside of Odorizzi?

Ozuna and then a trade.....

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Such as?

Bauer is one with the most recent success of a Cy Young. IMO I also think he's trending the right direction for it steady success.

Then comes the trades. Marquez has tremendous splits when pitching away from Colorado. That could put him in a good spot for more success in future years. 

[Angel Oracle]

I’m wondering why Rosenthal hasn’t signed yet.

He had great numbers in 2020, albeit a short season.

[southpaw]

4 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I’m wondering why Rosenthal hasn’t signed yet.

He had great numbers in 2020, albeit a short season.

Scott Boras client

[T.G.]

How in the hell did this thread get back on track?

@Inside Pitch - do something.

[tdawg87]

35 minutes ago, floplag said:

I dont think any of us want him per se, hes just supposedly the next best option.
So ill ask you this, of he rest, who would you want?

I'd take a flyer on Archer.

Then make a trade for Hendricks or Marquez, if available.

[tdawg87]

Just now, T.G. said:

How in the hell did this thread get back on track?

@Inside Pitch - do something.

Fuck off I'm doing something good for Angelswin for once.

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Fuck off I'm doing something good for Angelswin for once.

[Dtwncbad]

Let’s just keep lowering expectations until it is impossible to be disappointed.

[floplag]

6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'd take a flyer on Archer.

Then make a trade for Hendricks or Marquez, if available.

Fair enough, im also looking at Paxton.  Either one could perhaps be better than Odorizzi for likely less investment

[floplag]

Just now, Dtwncbad said:

Let’s just keep lowering expectations until it is impossible to be disappointed.

Were long past that, lol 
Heck going it it was Bauer or a trade then meh... so

[T.G.]

Just now, floplag said:

Fair enough, im also looking at Paxton.  Either one could perhaps be better than Odorizzi for likely mess investment

Yeah, we've seen those.

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, Dtwncbad said:

Let’s just keep lowering expectations until it is impossible to be disappointed.

You shouldn't talk about tdawg's sex life.

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'd take a flyer on Archer.

Then make a trade for Hendricks or Marquez, if available.

That sounds good. Or Archer and say a Walker or Paxton. 

Maybe sign Archer on a two-year deal and let him work out of the bullpen in high leverage situations as a rubber arm ala Scot Shields in 2021, slowly moving him in the direction to working his way back into the rotation. 

[floplag]

1 minute ago, T.G. said:

Yeah, we've seen those.

Freudian slip, sorry