Could a new Angels GM think about trading Shohei Ohtani?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

https://halohangout.com/2020/10/08/angels-shohei-ohtani-general-manager-trade/

l say no!

[AngelsLakersFan]

I really doubt that. It would be selling low.

[Junkballer]

The writer essentially, in the latter half of the article, admits that the piece is for the click-value

[Billy_Ball]

I hope not.

[kevinb]

Anyone’s available for the right price

[failos]

BUY LOW SELL HIGH 

not the other way around. Halo Hangout is such a pain in my assholes.

[tdawg87]

5 hours ago, Kevinb said:

Anyone’s available for the right price

[Chuck]

17 hours ago, Junkballer said:

The writer essentially, in the latter half of the article, admits that the piece is for the click-value

Did not click. 

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Did not click. 

Never do.

[m0nkey]

I only click on articles written by the great @Jeff Fletcher

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I only click on articles written by the great @Jeff Fletcher

Fletch is like the FREE SPACE in bingo. 

It's a given. 

[Taylor]

20 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I only click on articles published by the great PioDeportes

Fixed

[kevinb]

3 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I used to watch him back in the day when I was a kid. Ted DeBiase or something right?

[tdawg87]

21 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

I used to watch him back in the day when I was a kid. Ted DeBiase or something right?

Yep. The million dollar man. "Everyone has a price!"

AO is gonna sport a boner when he sees this thread.

[tdawg87]

To answer the thread question, anyone named Trout is on the table. We won't have an idea until the new GM is hired.

My guess would be no. He's coming off a terrible season so we'd be selling low. Also he isn't making much so it's not like we're losing anything by keeping him. The upside alone is worth it.

[Angelsjunky]

There's an argument to be made that Ohtani is the last Angel you trade. Why? Because his value is unclear. Trout and Rendon are known quantities, while Shohei still has the talent to turn into one of the best--and most unique--superstars in the game, or he could turn into a pretty good DH. I feel less bullish on him than I did two years ago, but the talent is still there.

I suppose if the Angels were offered Wander Franco or MacKenzie Gore it would be hard to say no, but the Rays and Padres are unlikely to do that. More likely a prospect package would max out at about a 55-60 FV prospect with a couple of 40-45s thrown in, and Ohtani is a 70+ talent. You just don't trade guys like that, at least not until you have to (impending free agency) and/or you're sure of what you have.

As far as Shohei's future is concerned, I see four possible scenarios, in decreasing order of preference:

1) Best-case scenario. He turns into a #1 starter and elite bat; think 150-175 IP of 2.50 ERA and 350-400 PA of a 150+ wRC+. We've seen flashes of both (in 2018), just not consistently. This is a 6-8 WAR superstar.

2) He turns into a #2-3 and very good bat, say 3.00-3.50 ERA and 120-130 wRC+, which together makes him a star if healthy. This would be a bit disappointing given the upside, but still a very good player. 4-6 WAR.

3) Elite DH/1B/OF only. Option 1, but bat only. 3-6 WAR, depending upon position and defense.

4) Good DH/1B/OF only. Option 2, but bat only. 2-4 WAR, depending upon position and defense.

Which do I think will happen? No idea. At this point, I think there's roughly even chances of any of the above happening. Meaning, there's a 50-50 chance he makes it as a pitcher, and a 50-50 chance he turns into an elite bat. Or something like that.

 

[Second Base]

30 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

There's an argument to be made that Ohtani is the last Angel you trade. Why? Because his value is unclear. Trout and Rendon are known quantities, while Shohei still has the talent to turn into one of the best--and most unique--superstars in the game, or he could turn into a pretty good DH. I feel less bullish on him than I did two years ago, but the talent is still there.

I suppose if the Angels were offered Wander Franco or MacKenzie Gore it would be hard to say no, but the Rays and Padres are unlikely to do that. More likely a prospect package would max out at about a 55-60 FV prospect with a couple of 40-45s thrown in, and Ohtani is a 70+ talent. You just don't trade guys like that, at least not until you have to (impending free agency) and/or you're sure of what you have.

As far as Shohei's future is concerned, I see four possible scenarios, in decreasing order of preference:

1) Best-case scenario. He turns into a #1 starter and elite bat; think 150-175 IP of 2.50 ERA and 350-400 PA of a 150+ wRC+. We've seen flashes of both (in 2018), just not consistently. This is a 6-8 WAR superstar.

2) He turns into a #2-3 and very good bat, say 3.00-3.50 ERA and 120-130 wRC+, which together makes him a star if healthy. This would be a bit disappointing given the upside, but still a very good player. 4-6 WAR.

3) Elite DH/1B/OF only. Option 1, but bat only. 3-6 WAR, depending upon position and defense.

4) Good DH/1B/OF only. Option 2, but bat only. 2-4 WAR, depending upon position and defense.

Which do I think will happen? No idea. At this point, I think there's roughly even chances of any of the above happening. Meaning, there's a 50-50 chance he makes it as a pitcher, and a 50-50 chance he turns into an elite bat. Or something like that.

 

I think another option might be he takes to being a pitcher only. 

[Angelsjunky]

38 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I think another option might be he takes to being a pitcher only. 

I just don't see the reasoning behind that. There are few injuries that would allow him to pitch but not hit, and he has proven that he can maintain the wear and tear of hitting. I suppose if they felt like they wanted to give him more rest between starts, but even then he'd probably be used as a frequent pinch-hitter.

[Adam]

Talk about selling low

[Second Base]

3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I just don't see the reasoning behind that. There are few injuries that would allow him to pitch but not hit, and he has proven that he can maintain the wear and tear of hitting. I suppose if they felt like they wanted to give him more rest between starts, but even then he'd probably be used as a frequent pinch-hitter.

The scenario I picture is if his hitting doesn't rebound, but his arm gets healthy. It's one of several possibilities for sure.

[Taylor]

8 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

To answer the thread question, anyone named Trout is on the table. 

So the Angels will only consider trading Trout?

[ScottT]

Yes

I believe this is possible.

Great question!

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

15 hours ago, Sheikh Youssef Biden said:

BUY LOW SELL HIGH 

not the other way around. Halo Hangout is such a pain in my assholes.

you have multiple assholes?

[failos]

9 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

you have multiple assholes?

 

[AngelsFaninGA]

On 10/8/2020 at 9:48 PM, AngelsLakersFan said:

I really doubt that. It would be selling low.

Considering his career trajectory, it may be selling high