MLB 2021 Free Agents (Starting Pitching & Relievers)

[Chuck]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/

There are some pretty decent arms to pair up with Bundy, Canning, Heaney & maybe even Barria and Ohtani. 

How about Stroman, Gausman and closer Hendriks instead of going all in on Bauer and done?

Here are the available closers/setup men available. 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/closer/

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/relief-pitcher/

[Chuck]

Kevin Gausman's 2020:

[Angels in 2030]

Who are MLB players that won't be members of the 2021 LA Angels? 

[Chuck]

30 minutes ago, Fourts said:

Who are MLB players that won't be members of the 2021 LA Angels? 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/los-angeles-angels/

[Angels in 2030]

LOL sorry Chuck -- guess the wink wasn't sufficient.  A little 'Carnac the Magnificent' humor.

[Lou]

15 minutes ago, Fourts said:

LOL sorry Chuck -- guess the wink wasn't sufficient.  A little 'Carnac the Magnificent' humor.

I got it. 

[Blarg]

Ahhh, the hot stove where everyone thinks we are picking up three top of the line pitchers but we end up with another Bundy project. 

I think they will target one starting pitcher and groom a closer, although traditional closers are being phased out. The Angels never invested in a closer in the past that worked out. The last one threw an 0-2 fastball to Alex Rodriguez and... 

A decent catcher would be an upgrade, I doubt Stassi is wracking home runs up next season at a once every 13 at bats pace. But you never know, he may have played to his potential for 31 games.

Between Stroman or Gausman I'm inclined to go with the big guy but all 5'7" of Stroman seems to out perform his competition. I'm just not convinced he is a long term investment as he crosses the 30 year threshold. he has shown the ability to grind out 200 innings of work each year which for me is crucial. I'm pretty worn out on the 120-150 inning pitchers that require relief by the fifth inning.

[Warfarin]

While Bauer is the prize, I'd be good with Gausman in conjunction with some other moves.  He's another pitcher who has likely benefited from leaving Baltimore, a la Bundy.

And, that said - I hope we give a serious consideration to extending Bundy.  A core rotation of Bundy, FA SP, Canning, Barria, and Ohtani*, with Detmers and maybe CRod waiting in the wings, should form a nice core, hopefully.

[ukyah]

10 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

Kevin Gausman's 2020:

gausy is his nickname. lazy fucking bastards.

[tdawg87]

Just get all the pitchers. All of them.

[Erstad Grit]

Stroman and odorizzi 

[Junkballer]

Bauer, if they can keep the contact to 5 years max.  3 years with a overpay AAV would be ideal.  He seems the most likely to maintain a #1's innings workload in a way that is synergistic to the rotation. AJ's excellent thread regarding WS Champs Rotations notwithstanding, pursuing the best arm available in a post-season landscape of 3-game series' and overutilized bullpens is imperative (cue Jim Mora Playoffs meme here). 

Besides, Bleacher Report said he is going to the Angels, so it is a fait accompli .

[Angel Oracle]

The highest salary ever for a Halos FA pitcher was Nibs’ 5 years/$77 million.

They’ve likely offered others in addition to the reported offer to Cole, though.

[DMVol]

39 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

The highest salary ever for a Halos FA pitcher was Nibs’ 5 years/$77 million.

They’ve likely offered others in addition to the reported offer to Cole, though.

Corbin for sure....

[AngelStew43]

This is the year to go all in, IMO.  Sign Bauer and Hendriks, and that is it.  Everyone else on the staff bumps down to where they should be.  

Bauer, Heaney, Bundy, Ohtani, Barria, Sandoval.  Hendriks, Mayers, Buttrey, Bedrock, Robles.  It leaves two spots in the bullpen, both for swingmen.  

All in.  

 

[DMVol]

56 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

This is the year to go all in, IMO.  Sign Bauer and Hendriks, and that is it.  Everyone else on the staff bumps down to where they should be.  

Bauer, Heaney, Bundy, Ohtani, Barria, Sandoval.  Hendriks, Mayers, Buttrey, Bedrock, Robles.  It leaves two spots in the bullpen, both for swingmen.  

All in.  

 

Would be surprised if Robles if offered a contract.....he is a strong candidate to be non-tendered...

[Mark68]

Is Bauer still only wanting one year contracts? If so, absolutely, we need to get him.

We need to be going after him with everything but the kitchen sink anyway. If we can't get/afford him, Stroman is an acceptable alternative.

Absolutely would love to have Hendriks. He's shown that he can consistently dominate. 

A couple of buy low candidates would be Taijuan Walker & Shelby Miller. Both have had major injury issues, but both have been successful previously. 

Would love to get Realmuto. Will we pony up to get him? Probably not. But we should.

[Tank]

21 hours ago, Fourts said:

LOL sorry Chuck -- guess the wink wasn't sufficient.  A little 'Carnac the Magnificent' humor.

it hasn't aged completely well, but these were always fun. trump joke at the end, btw.

 

[Hubs]

The problem with this staff is with the bottom 20%- 40% of the staff, not with the rest. That % of the staff is Julio Teheran, Hanse Robles, Jacob Barnes, Hoby Milner, Jose Suarez, Dillon Peters, Luke Bard, Jose Quijada, and Kyle Keller. 

Those 10 pitchers who had 12 starts, 20 games finished, pitched 100.2 innings and gave up 102 ER. They were 2-11, with 103 K to 51 BB and a 9.12 ERA.

The other 15 pitchers made 48 starts, finished 39 games, had 424.2 IP and gave up 195 ER. They were 24-23 with a 4.13 ERA.

Those ten guys can effectively be replaced by 1 Ace starter and two pen guys who are reliable. There will still be minor league journeymen and call ups and such, we won’t just use 18 pitchers, but I don’t think any of the names I said are back next season, but with the exception of Suarez, who will spend the vast majority of the time in AAA but could get called up. Quijada could be back too I suppose, since he’s cheap.

If you sub in Bauer and Hendriks and say Blake Treinan, you’d have hd a 35-31 club with a 3.69 ERA.

Sub in 2018 Ohtani for Sandoval and 2020 Ohtani and that drops to 3.43 and a 38-27 record. 

With the wave of non-tenders I can see a scenario where they replace these arms and hope Callaway coaxes the best out of these guys and the staff could be a quick turnaround. 

 

 

 

[budice0]

SPs I'd highlight for the Halos Rotation

Trevor Bauer

Marcus Stroman

Rick Porcello

Kevin Gausman

Drew Smyly

Mike Minor

Masahiro Tanaka

Garrett Richards

Mike Fiers

Taijuan Walker

Brett Anderson

Tommy Milone

Tyler Chatwood

Trevor Cahill

James Paxton

José Quintana

Homer Bailey

[AngelStew43]

I keep Robles.  He throws HARD.  I think he just needs a full, normal spring training.  And, as I said before, sign Hendriks to close, and everyone, Robles included, pitches in a fixed role.  

If we trade or non-tender anyone, I would expect it to be a guy like Noe Ramirez.  Especially with some of the hard throwing kids we have now.

[Revad]

44 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

I keep Robles.  He throws HARD.  I think he just needs a full, normal spring training.  And, as I said before, sign Hendriks to close, and everyone, Robles included, pitches in a fixed role.  

If we trade or non-tender anyone, I would expect it to be a guy like Noe Ramirez.  Especially with some of the hard throwing kids we have now.

Noe, in three years with the Angels, is 13-9 in 141 games, 181.3 innings and an era that I average out as 3.39.  Let’s non-tender him.

[totdprods]

9 hours ago, Revad said:

Noe, in three years with the Angels, is 13-9 in 141 games, 181.3 innings and an era that I average out as 3.39.  Let’s non-tender him.

I could go either way with Noe. He has some value in being the go-to guy to eat multiple relief innings in single-game blowouts or early in the game departures from the starters - without being awful, expensive or inexperienced like most relievers on other teams who typically fill that role.

If they can stack the depth enough ahead of him with proven talent or someone who is nearly as ‘good’ while also being cheaper and optionable, yes, he’s an easy non-tender. But I think that’s a harder ask than one would think.

Barria is about the closest thing one roster currently - and he’s better suited for the rotation and without options either. Denny Brady is probably the closest ‘prospect’ I can think of who’d do a good job replicating that role.

I’d try to trade Bedrosian or Robles, who I think could have some value, but ultimately would be fine non-tendering them along with Ramirez, Barnes or even Andriese, though he’s in a similar place to Ramirez in having a good versatile skillset the Angels could/should rely on until they find better options. I think Middleton gets traded btw. Bullpen is going to be rebuilt one way or another, for better or worse.

[Lou]

12 hours ago, Revad said:

Noe, in three years with the Angels, is 13-9 in 141 games, 181.3 innings and an era that I average out as 3.39.  Let’s non-tender him.

His ERA here is 4.04

Also, his K/9 dropped from 10.5 in 2019 to 6.0 this year.

[Chuck]

Check out what Drew Smyly did this year down the stretch. Increased velo and a sharp breaking ball saw him K a bunch of guys in limited starts this year.

As like a 2nd or 3rd option behind guys like Bauer, Stroman, Gausman for the backend of the rotation I'd take a flier on him.