Angels GM Search Thread - down to Justin Hollander and Perry Minasian, Minasian is the frontrunner

[Inside Pitch 18,338]

31 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

The Braves organization is loaded with talent from top to bottom so poaching from their organization isn't the worst plan.

He's not been there long.  Dude was a scout with the Rangers until 2009 and Jays until 2007 ...  He's probably the greenest candidate.  This kinda blows.

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8 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

someone has to pick a GM or president of Baseball ops etc though.  Who else would do that?  I guarantee that Stoneman is heavily involved with this process.  

Yeah they said round one was with Carpino and Stoneman and round two is with Arte. My only concern is how much influence does Arte have in this

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7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

He's not been there long.  Dude was a scout with the Rangers until 2009 and Jays until 2007 ...  He's probably the greenest candidate.  This kinda blows.

Mehh gimme Porter, McLeod or Sawdaye.

[Stradling 28,111]

6 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Yeah they said round one was with Carpino and Stoneman and round two is with Arte. My only concern is how much influence does Arte have in this

Well the owner will always have the most influence.  ALWAYS.

[Stradling 28,111]

I tend to value Keith Law’s opinion of the Angels, especially when he says anything positive.  The reason for this is he once referred to our farm system as the worst he has ever seen.  So if he says something positive, it isn’t because he is prone to look at our team in a positive light.  

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Be kinda funny if we hire Hollander and he was the one actually responsible for finding the players in the Mariners rebuild. 

[Fourts 445]

This tells me more of the same from the Angels ownership - budget conscious, small, etc. type FO organization setup.  Arte will spend money (trout, FA) but In the wrong places for the long term health of the business.   It’s like a Fortune 500 company trying to be run organizationally like a small business. 

[Angel Oracle 14,006]

2 minutes ago, Fourts said:

This tells me more of the same from the Angels ownership - budget conscious, small, etc. type FO organization setup.  Arte will spend money (trout, FA) but In the wrong places for the long term health of the business.   It’s like a Fortune 500 company trying to be run organizationally like a small business. 

It does go with my thoughts, that it’s all about the marketing/advertising, and not nearly as much on the things the average fan doesn’t see, like scouting/development.

It is admittedly hard having confidence, when Moreno/Carpino are essentially 0.5 (Eppler improving the farm) for 3.0 in GM hires.

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[Inside Pitch 18,338]

33 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Hollander: "Hey Jerry, so how is Arte as a boss? Did you like working for him?

Dipoto: "..."

Hollander wasn't a Jerry hire.  He was a Stoneman hire -- he was one of the few that survived the purge and Jerry was smart enough to poach him. 

I'd be pretty okay with him.

[Vlad27Trout27 1,095]

Its what it is.

personally I've heard a lot of Positives about Porter and he's my top choice.

I wonder it possible if we could steal White from the padres... and give him the Vp Role. .

[Inside Pitch 18,338]

Btw....  Here's a good article for those who may not be familiar with Hollander.... It also makes it clear what went on during the AP courtship....

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/justin-hollander-los-angeles-angels-q-a-mike-trout-albert-pujols-josh-hamilton/

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8 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

It does go with my thoughts, that it’s all about the marketing/advertising, and not nearly as much on the things the average fan doesn’t see, like scouting/development.

It is admittedly hard having confidence, when Moreno/Carpino are essentially 0.5 (Eppler improving the farm) for 3.0 in GM hires.

This is why I think Lindor is more realistic than most people think, maybe more so than Bauer.

[True Grich 12,624]

I want Porter just so we can rename the stadium Porterhouse

 

[Angel Oracle 14,006]

20 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Btw....  Here's a good article for those who may not be familiar with Hollander.... It also makes it clear what went on during the AP courtship....

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/justin-hollander-los-angeles-angels-q-a-mike-trout-albert-pujols-josh-hamilton/

Only one issue though: no player can be expected to maintain that kind of excellence after using an exaggerated crouched stance for many years, while carrying 240-250 lbs.

[Vlad27Trout27 1,095]

Arte needs to hurry this up, free agents are talking and getting offers and he's here taking his sweet time. 

[Angel Oracle 14,006]

What was it about Owens and White that they didn’t like?

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31 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Be kinda funny if we hire Hollander and he was the one actually responsible for finding the players in the Mariners rebuild. 

And then Dipoto makes the Mariners become a shit show after Hollander leaves? I'm down for it. 

[Warfarin 2,616]

It'll be interesting to see the way we go.

As I said in the other thread, I don't presume to know enough about any of these candidates to be upset regardless.  I do have my preferences, and I am admittedly intrigued by the Braves' assistant GM.  He is "green," so to speak, but he has worked alongside Anthropolous for 3+ years now, and I'd say Anthropolous (who was a very good GM in Toronto, then spent a year working under Friedman, who is probably the best in the game) is a good person to learn from.

If we hire the Braves' assistant GM (I don't see him as a favorite), I could see some considerable upside if he brings a lot of the principles that he's learned from Anthropolous.

So for now, my favorites are probably Porter and Minasian.

[Fourts 445]

31 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I'd be pretty okay with him.

Whoa, my heart can’t take so much excitement. The future is so bright. 
I wonder how my wife would feel hearing me say that I’m “pretty okay”with her?  Just what everyone wants to hear.  Lol.  It’s like bases loaded with no outs and you get one run out of the inning on a sacrifice fly.  Pretty okay. 

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2 minutes ago, Fourts said:

Whoa, my heart can’t take so much excitement. The future is so bright. 
I wonder how my wife would feel hearing me say that I’m “pretty okay”with her?  Just what everyone wants to hear.  Lol.  It’s like bases loaded with no outs and you get one run out of the inning on a sacrifice fly.  Pretty okay. 

If Pujols is the one hitting the sac fly, it's a huge victory.

[Inside Pitch 18,338]

15 minutes ago, Fourts said:

Whoa, my heart can’t take so much excitement. The future is so bright. 
I wonder how my wife would feel hearing me say that I’m “pretty okay”with her?  Just what everyone wants to hear.  Lol.  It’s like bases loaded with no outs and you get one run out of the inning on a sacrifice fly.  Pretty okay. 

"Pretty ok", is about as excited as I can possibly get.   

I just don't think it matters who the GM is if he won't be given the autonomy to get shit done.

Beyond that, with so much in the air with Covid and the sort...  Its a whole lot of nada.

[Stradling 28,111]

52 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Btw....  Here's a good article for those who may not be familiar with Hollander.... It also makes it clear what went on during the AP courtship....

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/justin-hollander-los-angeles-angels-q-a-mike-trout-albert-pujols-josh-hamilton/

Lets try this again.

This is a must read for anyone that blames Arte for the Albert signing.

[Inside Pitch 18,338]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Lets try this again.

This is a must read for anyone that blames Arte for the Albert signing.

Yeah, lots of myths blown out of the water, right?   

Notice how it was Jerry that spent all the time looking into how AP would age?  

So AP's decline and Roberto Baldoquin's readiness were 100% Jerry's decision making.

Teflon.

[Tony Two Bags 79]

With the way the Angels have been preaching family and Angels history, I think Hollander is a good bet. 

[The Ghost of Bob Starr 2,886]

I have to laugh that beyond the Who’s who of this list of finalists - our team beat reporter is constantly confirming other reporters’ info. 
Fletcher in with the “confirming Rosenthal report...”

it would be refreshing to have a beat reporter that actually breaks news instead of getting best by some other national guy across the country.