Angels GM Search Thread - down to Justin Hollander and Perry Minasian, Minasian is the frontrunner

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

It's the people making the decisions that's important, but in order to get the right people to make those decisions, you usually have to pouch those executives from other organizations. That's where the titles come into play, because that (along with offering more money) is how you get those people to join your team.

The Angels haven't hired anyone that would necessitate the PBO title, and that's' the problem. Instead of trying to poach a proven executive, they always go after first time GM's.

Ok ill bite. 

Can you please name all the multitudes of candidates for the Angels GM position that would have required a title greater than GM in order to be hired?  You've clearly convinced yourself that what you're saying is fact, so I'm guessing there is more to it than the usual fanaticism behind these sort of narratives.

Maybe the better question is, who can you point to that required or obtained an all important title above GM to actually take said position from someone else after interviewing with the Angels.  You'll probably say Hazen but he was an assistant to the GM in Boston under Cherrington and maintained that position until he was promoted to GM (while Dombrowski maintained final decision making power) on Sept 24th of 2015 ..... after he interviewed but before the Angels hired Eppler in early October.

The Red Sox effectively promoted him to GM to keep him in Boston and keep him from taking the Angels job.  Meanwhile the Dbacks gave him additional title of Executive VP in order to also poach Sawdaye and Porter from Boston making them both Senior VPs and assistant GMs, which is what @Jeff Fletcherkeeps saying and people keep dismissing.

Its all just window dressing in order to get around baseball's long standing tradition to avoid denying guys a "promotion".

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, eligrba said:

You do understand the fundamentals behind running a business?  Arte has been incredibly successful running the Angels. The objectives of fans are not always aligned with the objectives of the business of baseball.

I think people are reading too much into the silence. 

Success in the 2000s, not so much the 2010s, except for increasing the franchise’s net worth.

The past five years have been the worst for the franchise since 1990-1994.

[Docwaukee]

If the Angels hired four people for the front office and gave one of them the EVP title, it doesn't make that person any more important or powerful in the org than if they hired the same four people and called the head guy the GM.  They're still doing the same stuff and reporting to Arte the same way.  

 

[Blarg]

10 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Its all just window dressing in order to get around baseball's long standing tradition to avoid denying guys a "promotion".

The Yankees have 12 senior vice president's and 9 vice president's along with 3 executive directors, 6 senior directors and 21 directors.

Strangely enough they don't have anyone listed in their front office as simply, general manager. 

[BTH]

13 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Can you please name all the multitudes of candidates for the Angels GM position that would have required a title greater than GM in order to be hired?

There haven't been "multitudes of candidates for the Angels GM position that would have required a title greater than GM in order to be hired" because Arte has never shown a willingness to hire one of those guys.

That's the issue. Arte isn't willing to hire someone as a PBO, so executives who would need that title in order to join the Angels haven't even been interviewed.

[Lou]

26 minutes ago, Trendon said:

There haven't been "multitudes of candidates for the Angels GM position that would have required a title greater than GM in order to be hired" because Arte has never shown a willingness to hire one of those guys.

That's the issue. Arte isn't willing to hire someone as a PBO, so executives who would need that title in order to join the Angels haven't even been interviewed.

What would a PBO do?

[BTH]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

What would a PBO do?

Lead the baseball operations department. One benefit of having both a PBO and GM is that they can supplement each other in areas where the other lacks knowledge/experience. One guy can be an analytical guy, while the other could be a traditional scouting/player development guy.

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Lead the baseball operations department. One benefit of having both a PBO and GM is that they can supplement each other in areas where the other lacks knowledge/experience. One guy can be an analytical guy, while the other could be a traditional scouting/player development guy.

Why not hire one guy that does both?

[BTH]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Why not hire one guy that does both?

If you can find one person that does both well, then yes, just hire one. But if they can't find someone who can do both, that's the next best option.

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Trendon said:

If you can find one person that does both well, then yes, just hire one. But if they can't find someone who can do both, that's the next best option.

I'm sure you can obtain that goal by hiring a GM and 2 Asst. GMs that fit that criteria.

[Blarg]

The Yankees still have no one with the title General Manager. 

[BTH]

Switching gears, I wonder if it's been so quiet of late on the GM search front because the Angels have little-to-no people who could be sources for reporters. Information was leaking about the search before Oct. 31, then Strangio and Martone (the two AGM's) moved on and it's been quiet ever since.

[Blarg]

I think they are just confused with the acronym PBO and wonder how President of Basketball Operations is going to help the organization. 

[mmc]

 

[Vlad27Trout27]

I'm scared.....I'm really scared.......Who the f are these 3?

Better be white, Owens and the the a dodger guy. 

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

I'm scared.....I'm really scared.......Who the f are these 3?

Better be white, Owens and the the a dodger guy. 

I'm guessing Hill, Amaro Jr, and Klentak.  

[Vlad27Trout27]

Just now, Dochalo said:

I'm guessing Hill, Amaro Jr, and Klentak.  

sadly true. It went from 14 down to 3 really quick, and the guy that we've heard and heard has been Hill so i amm scared. 

[rafibomb]

About half of the names we interviewed would be solid hires. I just know that the final 3 would be from the pool of GM's that would be questionable hires at best...

Edited November 9, 2020 by rafibomb

[BTH]

My guess for the 3 candidates is Michael Hill, Jared Porter, and Jason McLeod.

EDIT: and I predict that Porter ends up getting the job.

[angelsnationtalk]

26 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I'm guessing Hill, Amaro Jr, and Klentak.  

Please no Klentac or Amaro Jr. 

I Really like Hill, Logan White or Eddie Bane. 

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, Trendon said:

There haven't been "multitudes of candidates for the Angels GM position that would have required a title greater than GM in order to be hired" because Arte has never shown a willingness to hire one of those guys.

That's the issue. Arte isn't willing to hire someone as a PBO, so executives who would need that title in order to join the Angels haven't even been interviewed.

Impressive.   You couldn't actually answer the question so instead you just pressed on with a narrative built entirely on your opinion.   Hazen by himself dismisses your position.  Tony LaClava, VP of baseball operations for the Jays did as well.

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

Lead the baseball operations department. One benefit of having both a PBO and GM is that they can supplement each other in areas where the other lacks knowledge/experience. One guy can be an analytical guy, while the other could be a traditional scouting/player development guy.

Yeah, because they need certain titles to be able to do that.    Maybe you missed it but the Angels recently lost two assistant GMs -- one of them had come from the Yankees scouting department and cut his teeth in that area.  The other was a Harvard grad deeply immersed in analytics .... then just for shits and giggles they employ Eric Chavez as a pro scouting guy.  Three dudes with three very different backgrounds that all served the GM.    

2 hours ago, Lou said:

I'm sure you can obtain that goal by hiring a GM and 2 Asst. GMs that fit that criteria.

Which is exactly what the Angels had done. 

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

The Yankees still have no one with the title General Manager. 

and look at how much they suck because of it, too.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

I'm guessing Hill, Amaro Jr, and Klentak.  

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

I'm guessing Hill, Amaro Jr, and Klentak.  

I'll take Bad Ideas for 200, Alex.

[totdprods]

I’ll guess LaCava, White, and Hill, with LaCava getting the job.