Gameday Thread: First Presidential Debate

[Jason]

20 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Nobody is denying 200k deaths. But, as Trump pointed out, when he closed off travel from China he was labeled a zenophobe by the democrats. The Senate never got off their ass and took any action, neither did the state governors or mayors. They ignored the warnings and when it went to shit they pointed fingers. 

People were going to die from this. They were going to take a huge hit because China lied their ass off and withheld information while knowingly allowed their infected to travel. Italy was overwhelmed before they had any idea what hit them. It scorched Europe and they had the same problem we did, miss information from the source, the Chinese government. 

Biden as president would have been completely innactive as congress and the Nancy Pelosi led congress was. For one moment step back and ask, after four months, what did congress actually do? 

They spent trillions propping up their doners. 

Fuck your narrative. 

Could you imagine if he tried to do the travel bans and shutdowns during the impeachment debacle. The left would have had a shit fit 

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, wopphil said:

So he helped broker a mostly inconsequential peace deal, and removed troops from two countries (against the advice of military personnel). That’s the best you can cite to, after four years in office?

Ill give him a little bit of credit on NK, but he hasn’t actually accomplished anything lasting there. But I do respect that he has tried. 

Inconsequential? Wow, you've really have to be entrenched in your own narrative not to see it is historic for Israel and The Custodian of the Holy Mosques sit down and sign a mutual non aggression pact. 

The advice of military personel is like getting health food advice from the local pizzaria. Extra cheese, please. After four years Trump has done more to get us out of the 19 year unwinnable war than Obama or Bush in their 15 years. 

We agree on North Korea. 

[wopphil]

8 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Dear God dude, your talking points are all from CNN. Just get back to the main forum FCS and talk Angels Baseball. 

Are you unable to answer my question with a substantive response. I am not trying to be argumentative. I truly am interested in your opinion. You say he has delivered results. What are those results?

[Rico]

21 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Nobody is denying 200k deaths. But, as Trump pointed out, when he closed off travel from China he was labeled a zenophobe by the democrats.

You keep repeating this lie.  Trump was never called a zenophobe for the travel ban on China.  He was labeled a zenophobe for later the same day he expanded the travel ban to Muslim countries.  His travel ban was China + Muslim countries but didn't ban travel to countries he had hotels in even though the virus was spreading there too.

[failos]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

You keep repeating this lie.  Trump was never called a zenophobe for the travel ban on China.  He was labeled a zenophobe for later the same day he expanded the travel ban to Muslim countries.  His travel ban was China + Muslim countries but didn't ban travel to countries he had hotels in even though the virus was spreading there too.

zenophobe? Learn how to spell bro.

[Rico]

1 minute ago, failos said:

zenophobe? Learn how to spell bro.

I blame blarg.

[arch stanton]

14 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Inconsequential? Wow, you've really have to be entrenched in your own narrative not to see it is historic for Israel and The Custodian of the Holy Mosques sit down and sign a mutual non aggression pact. 

The advice of military personel is like getting health food advice from the local pizzaria. Extra cheese, please. After four years Trump has done more to get us out of the 19 year unwinnable war than Obama or Bush in their 15 years. 

We agree on North Korea. 

Not to be nitpicky but the Custodian of the Holy Mosques is the Saudi king and he's the only one who hasn't signed on. And I don't get what Trump had to do with this anyway. It's been in works for years

[failos]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

I blame blarg.

fair enough

[fan_since79]

The verdict is in. Trump easily defeated Chris Wallace in tonight's debate.

https://twitter.com/Apoctoz/status/1311166481552433153?s=20

[Rico]

Trump acted like a bratty 8-year old and that obviously rattled Biden. Still,Trump came off worse because... well... he acted like a bratty 8-year old. 

This sort of behavior may play well with his base, but there are plenty of people in the middle just tired of his antics. 

 

 

[Redondo]

AOC responds to Biden's claim that he doesn't back the Green New Deal

 

• AOC says Dems can 'likely' push Biden in 'more progressive direction' if elected

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., expressed optimism that progressive Democrats can “likely” push Joe Biden further to the left if he’s elected president.

She noted that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT, is reportedly concerned that Biden is not far left enough, an assessment she said she agrees wi

 

• Biden pushes back against ties to Bernie Sanders during first debate: 'I am the Democratic party'

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden pushed back against President Trump's efforts to link him to Bernie Sanders during the first debate on Tuesday night, declaring that he beat the self-described democratic socialist by a "whole hell of a lot."

"The matter of the fact is that I beat Bernie Sanders," Biden said during the debate, hosted by Case Western Reserve University and The Cleveland Clinic. "By a whole hell of a lot."

Edited September 30, 2020 by Redondo

[Redondo]

From the comment section.

If Chris Wallace had given President Trump his full 2-minutes without interrupting him, arguing with him, making snide remarks and cutting him off, the president would have been able to state his positions more effectively. But Wallace added fuel to the contentious exchanges. As it was, Wallace allowed Biden to monologue and trail off onto unrelated topics without answering the questions, without interference, and well past the 2-minute limit. We timed it and Biden often got 3-minutes or more. If there were any takeaways from the first debate, it's that Wallace couldn't moderate skillfully, successfully or without bias. This tactic of catering to the Democrats, while unfairly attempting to undermine the president has worn thin with the American people.

[Chuck]

8 hours ago, wopphil said:

Are you unable to answer my question with a substantive response. I am not trying to be argumentative. I truly am interested in your opinion. You say he has delivered results. What are those results?

I will respond to this later Phil.

[failos]

7 hours ago, calscuf said:

What results?

He’s the least warmongering president we’ve had,

Elimination of ISIS,

Booming economy until Covid,

Eliminating the individual mandate,

the Wall,

Tough on China,

Tough on Iran,

Tough on allies taking advantage of us,

Brokered enough peace between N. Korea and S Korea/Japan and us to the point where they aren’t an immediate nuclear threat,

Replaced NAFTA,

Peace with Israel and Arab Gulf States,

Moved US embassy to Israel to Jerusalem,

appointment of SCOTUS judges.

he’s delivered on his promises whether you like the results or not—and I can go on.

 

 

[Spirit]

 

[fan_since79]

[Adam]

The debate honestly couldn’t have gone better for Biden. He held it together ok. Trump probably prepared even less than normal thinking Biden would fall on his face.

Will be interesting to see what adjustments are made before the next one

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Adam said:

The debate honestly couldn’t have gone better for Biden. He held it together ok. Trump probably prepared even less than normal thinking Biden would fall on his face.

Will be interesting to see what adjustments are made before the next one

Lowering the bar for Biden as much as he did was a mistake on Trump's part. The only thing Biden did well was not have his routine brain farts. If there is another debate I'd like to see specific policy questions and have these two jackasses focus on those. No pointless questions about tax returns, white supremacists and Antifa

[St1ck]

[Spirit]

6 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

 

LOL ... I'm dead!

 

[m0nkey]

Bring back KC!

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Bring back KC!

[Lhalo]

 

[fan_since79]

"Oh Chrissy, thanks so much for your help last night."

[arch stanton]

At least get someone better than a third grader to do the photoshop