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2 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

We’ve watched the team be shitty for a decade now.  They finally have a modest farm system.  Speaking for myself, I can accept the slow build.  What will really bother me is going back to the 2011-2012 situation which in a few years results in the 2016 situation.  Fuck that.  Disaster. 

If we look at this team being “shitty” for a decade then we have championship expectations and not simply being competitive.  

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I dont hate Arte, I just have no faith in his ability to see the bigger picture.  

As someone who has read your baseball opinions I can confidently say, no, you really couldn’t.  

Eppler inherited a mess and cleaned it up.  Now someone else will get credit for it. 

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12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If we look at this team being “shitty” for a decade then we have championship expectations and not simply being competitive.  

I don’t mean to harp on this, and I get it the last 5 years have been horrible.  But we were 60+ games over .500 the 5 years prior to that.  

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17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I don’t mean to harp on this, and I get it the last 5 years have been horrible.  But we were 60+ games over .500 the 5 years prior to that.  

We’ve been bad man.  Fine.  I mis spoke about the whole decade.  But for most of the decade we haven’t been meaningfully competitive and have mostly just been bad. 

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And my larger point.  About pushing in all the chips to try and force open a win window will probably just screw up everything like it did then.  The Astros didn’t trade everything to win their championship.  The Dodgers are very deliberate with their use of minor league assets.  I want the Angels to follow that model.  Invest in and develop the farm.  Trout knew what was getting into when he signed.  And good for him.  It’ll mean a lot more if they can do it.  

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6 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

And my larger point.  About pushing in all the chips to try and force open a win window will probably just screw up everything like it did then.  The Astros didn’t trade everything to win their championship.  The Dodgers are very deliberate with their use of minor league assets.  I want the Angels to follow that model.  Invest in and develop the farm.  Trout knew what was getting into when he signed.  And good for him.  It’ll mean a lot more if they can do it.  

What tells you the next GM will “push all the chips in” and screw up everything?

It is time to try to win, so the team will have to make some moves that are not all about being stacked 6 years from now.

Why do fans automatically think this means they will trade Adell and Jordan Adams for Lance Lynn?

Can people just relax and let’s see what they do?

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1 minute ago, Dtwncbad said:

What tells you the next GM will “push all the chips in” and screw up everything?

It is time to try to win, so the team will have to make some moves that are not all about being stacked 6 years from now.

Why do fans automatically think this means they will trade Adell and Jordan Adams for Lance Lynn?

Can people just relax and let’s see what they do?

I’ve said several times that we’ll see what they do.  But everyone keeps talking about Dombrowski.  His recent history is what it is.  This isn’t a guy that comes in to install and grow development systems.  If they hire him, obviously we need to see what he does. 

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7 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’ve said several times that we’ll see what they do.  But everyone keeps talking about Dombrowski.  His recent history is what it is.  This isn’t a guy that comes in to install and grow development systems.  If they hire him, obviously we need to see what he does. 

“His recent history. . . “

To me, it seems pretty reasonable to conclude that Dombrowski is at the point in his career when he simply has the ability/experience to execute whatever plan the owner wants.

So I can’t be overly concerned that the next GM is Dombrowski specifically.

Dombrowski is as good a bet as any to execute transactions that fit the assignment, whatever that actual assignment is.

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1 minute ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I wonder how FA players feel when Dombrowski approaches them? 

Does anyone think this could help if Angels started negotiating with someone like Bauer? Would players gravitate more toward Dombrowski and his approach/track record? 

They “gravitate more” toward money.

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20 hours ago, Warfarin said:

Yes, I will happily take this.  Logan White or any Dodger / Ray FO member.  I mean, look at those 2 teams - both #1 seeds, both absolutely stacked in talent in both the majors AND minors.  That is what I want - a winner both today and tomorrow.

Dombrowski has built winners in the past, but I do think he would be best served with a strong farm system builder as his #2.  I think most of us agree in that regard.

I agree how does Tampa and Oakland year after have teams in contention.

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The concern is Arte.  The concern about Dombrowski isn’t Dombrowski himself, it’s that Arte is after him and the reasons for that.  I know that Dave Dombrowski is a good baseball guy.  I worry that Arte is onto something stupid.  I don’t think I’m being unreasonable.  But who can say I guess. 

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14 hours ago, ScottT said:

Nobody ever jokes on the internet. Nobody ever says outrageous things either.

alright, this has clearly flown way over your head. you haven't even bothered to look and discover if i'm quoting incorrectly or not. so, we'll just go ahead and end it here. good talk.

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The Angels just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about GM culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in business where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw your GM over, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the GM public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to join the Angels, nor will any big FAs sign with them. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Arte has alienated an entire market with this move.

Arte Moreno, publicly apologize and cancel the Billy Eppler firing or you can kiss your business goodbye.

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5 minutes ago, failos said:

The Angels just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about GM culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in business where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw your GM over, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the GM public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to join the Angels, nor will any big FAs sign with them. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Arte has alienated an entire market with this move.

Arte Moreno, publicly apologize and cancel the Billy Eppler firing or you can kiss your business goodbye.

lol this bit again eh ? 

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This teams failures since 2009 are 100% on Arte. Pujols, Hamilton, Wells, the terrible Scioscia and Upton extensions all Arte's doing.

Arte should fire himself for being an idiot instead of always using his GM's as a scapegoat for his own incompetence.

Good luck finding another GM. No one, and I mean no one actually good or qualified will want this job. The Angels are going to have to scrape at the bottom of the barrel to find someone willing to take this kind of abuse.

They know they are just a figurehead and Arte is the real GM. 

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I'm actually sad that Eppler got fired. He literally inherited a disaster. I said it at the time that he's in a no win situation and that it would be a miracle to turn this thing around in only 3 years.

Add to that a meddling owner who likes being de facto GM and you have a recipe for disaster.

The worst part is it feels like the angels are still stuck in no where land and still don't have a plan. They wont tank and don't have the farm to make a run in the future.

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