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This is really, really gay. It's January 11th you fuckin attention whore. Sign with somebody.

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Nicely done @John Taylor  

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5 minutes ago, Cosmo_Kramer said:

Hard to say the payroll impact without looking at the full picture. I think it can be done within Arte's budget

Depends on his budget, which we can only guess at right now. 

I think the $30 million figure (give or take 1-2 million) is accurate. 

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6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Depends on his budget, which we can only guess at right now. 

I think the $30 million figure (give or take 1-2 million) is accurate. 

If we got Bauer, I think that would be about it.  Unless you could convince him to take a significantly lower 1st year salary.  

That's actually one of the minor benefits of adding Bauer or any other multi year free agents is that you've got some flexibility of what you can do with that first or even second year comp.  

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3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

If we got Bauer, I think that would be about it.  Unless you could convince him to take a significantly lower 1st year salary.  

That's actually one of the minor benefits of adding Bauer or any other multi year free agents is that you've got some flexibility of what you can do with that first or even second year comp.  

I would agree with this. I think 2020 is going to be a year when players aren't going to mess around with shorter deals or lower salaries because there's a lot of payroll uncertainty. Combine that with how MLB has cooled the FA market the past few years, and I think Bauer is going to want his money. I doubt he'll perform to a five-year deal, but that's the going rate in FA. I'd rather the Angels had him than not.

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5 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

I would agree with this. I think 2020 is going to be a year when players aren't going to mess around with shorter deals or lower salaries because there's a lot of payroll uncertainty. Combine that with how MLB has cooled the FA market the past few years, and I think Bauer is going to want his money. I doubt he'll perform to a five-year deal, but that's the going rate in FA. I'd rather the Angels had him than not.

I think it's why Bauer abandoned the 1 year deal idea he used to have. Maximize guaranteed money in the face of covid uncertainty. Makes sense.

Lower salary in the first year or two won't be an issue IMO

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3 hours ago, Stradling said:

Yes, he pulled Snell, why?  Because they believed in their bullpen because they did all season long, and the season before.  

Bad decision everyone thought so at the time especially Snell. Pulling his pitchers early doesn't mean he had to. So using the argument they didn't go past 5 innings is on the manager and not so much the pitcher. The bullpen gets overworked and then become less reliable, not so much in a short season but a 162 game season even a good BP having to go 4 innings a game will be too taxed.

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4 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Bad decision everyone thought so at the time especially Snell. Pulling his pitchers early doesn't mean he had to. So using the argument they didn't go past 5 innings is on the manager and not so much the pitcher. The bullpen gets overworked and then become less reliable, not so much in a short season but a 162 game season even a good BP having to go 4 innings a game will be too taxed.

It was what he'd been doing all along to great success. People second guess when things go bad. Doesn't mean he was wrong to take out Snell. Certainly at least we can say he had lousy luck with which reliever he put in. 

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3 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

It was what he'd been doing all along to great success. People second guess when things go bad. Doesn't mean he was wrong to take out Snell. Certainly at least we can say he had lousy luck with which reliever  justhe put in. 

we need an Ace, l hope Maddon doesn't pull our pitchers after 5 just because he can.

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26 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

we need an Ace, l hope Maddon doesn't pull our pitchers after 5 just because he can.

Snell has consistently been pulled that early. He almost never goes deep into games. That should concern anyone who wants to trade for him. It might be organizational philosophy or it might mean there are serious durability issues. 

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1 hour ago, wopphil said:

As much as I hope we sign Bauer, for less total dollars we could probably get Gray, Happ, Pederson, Suzuki, and Rosenthal. And those five would make the team far better than Bauer alone. 

I disagree

Also depends on who we're giving up for Gray

This team needs an ace. Probably needs an ace and a SP like Gray. 

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1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Bad decision everyone thought so at the time especially Snell. Pulling his pitchers early doesn't mean he had to. So using the argument they didn't go past 5 innings is on the manager and not so much the pitcher. The bullpen gets overworked and then become less reliable, not so much in a short season but a 162 game season even a good BP having to go 4 innings a game will be too taxed.

No shit. My point is it’s a team that used their dominant pen to make a championship run. 

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9 hours ago, eligrba said:

Like clock work. 

At least she’s a good match for 90% of the soy boy millennial Ivy League simp GM’s that fill front offices these days. She really does come off like a privileged bimbo regardless of her education. Dime a dozen as JD’s seemingly role off assembly lines these days, 

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Based on the fact Maddon said he and Minasian talked about "do we put all the eggs in one basket or do we spread it around" makes me either think one of two things....

1: It's sign Bauer and that's it

2: they really do go for an Odorizzi type guy with another RP and a meh catcher. 

Option 2 fills up holes but are they fixed? Or is it a hole in a pool that you put duct tape over? Basically a redneck saying "Hey y'all, watch this!"

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I wonder if a player would rather take a backloaded deal this offseason.

The reason I speculate about that is because there is less certainty that a full season will be played this season than there will be for other seasons.

If you're a player, you'd prefer that a salary of $25 million is prorated rather than a salary of $30 million.

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1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Based on the fact Maddon said he and Minasian talked about "do we put all the eggs in one basket or do we spread it around" makes me either think one of two things....

1: It's sign Bauer and that's it

2: they really do go for an Odorizzi type guy with another RP and a meh catcher. 

Option 2 fills up holes but are they fixed? Or is it a hole in a pool that you put duct tape over? Basically a redneck saying "Hey y'all, watch this!"

This is basically nothing new. I think most of us could've guessed that that was basically what they were thinking. Now it's just made explicit.

Other holes would be filled at a higher level with option one, I assume, but they'd be basically going league minimum on catcher, RF, and maybe another reliever, along with the second starter. Personally, I'm very okay with that.

Option 2 creates a bunch of mediocre. They likely still don't go big on all all the areas, but they have a little more flexibility in 2-3 more areas than in option 1 to get someone a little pricier (think Pederson in RF, Yadi at catcher, Hand at RP - but probably only one, maybe two of those). Pitching would then require hoping a couple of budget options work out. 

Obviously it also depends whether one believes Bauer's upgrades are more flash than substance and repeatable for multiple seasons. I personally buy in on that, so as far as I'm concerned, my vote is still Bauer, and trade for a cost controlled option like Musgrove - screw the cost of it. Then pick up a defense first guy who can cover CF (I'd be okay with bringing Goodwin back, tbh, if he's still cheap), another relatively inexpensive reliever (maybe 3-5m if the money is there), and someone like Castro at catcher. 

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1 hour ago, Pancake Bear said:

This is basically nothing new. I think most of us could've guessed that that was basically what they were thinking. Now it's just made explicit.

Other holes would be filled at a higher level with option one, I assume, but they'd be basically going league minimum on catcher, RF, and maybe another reliever, along with the second starter. Personally, I'm very okay with that.

Option 2 creates a bunch of mediocre. They likely still don't go big on all all the areas, but they have a little more flexibility in 2-3 more areas than in option 1 to get someone a little pricier (think Pederson in RF, Yadi at catcher, Hand at RP - but probably only one, maybe two of those). Pitching would then require hoping a couple of budget options work out. 

Obviously it also depends whether one believes Bauer's upgrades are more flash than substance and repeatable for multiple seasons. I personally buy in on that, so as far as I'm concerned, my vote is still Bauer, and trade for a cost controlled option like Musgrove - screw the cost of it. Then pick up a defense first guy who can cover CF (I'd be okay with bringing Goodwin back, tbh, if he's still cheap), another relatively inexpensive reliever (maybe 3-5m if the money is there), and someone like Castro at catcher. 

I'd go with the Bauer option as well.  Assuming that the Angels have done their appropriate due diligence and they are confident that Bauer will perform as one of the league's better pitcher for the next 3 years or so.  

I can only think of a couple 100m+ pitching contracts that have been an absolute nightmare.  Jordan Zimmermann comes to mind.  Mike Hampton, Barry Zito, and Kevin Brown were awhile ago now.  Johan Santana was bad mostly because of injury.    

The rest only went bad if they did toward the end.  Like Felix and a few others.  

If you can avoid that 6th and 7th years then I think it's worth the risk.  

We all still have 1yr contract PTSD due to Eppler as well.  It's still a viable way to get a good player without having to add additional risk of those mid market 3-4 year deals on guys that are 31-32 at the start.  

The top guys are gonna get paid and the AAV for the mid market guys is still pretty decent but we're seeing 1-2yr deals so far.  Even before the bigger names set the market.  I think there will be deals to be had at the lower end of the market so I'd rather take the chance on getting a top player and then wait for those deals down the road for C, RF and pen help than settle for spending all your budget on mediocrity.  

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6 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

This is basically nothing new. I think most of us could've guessed that that was basically what they were thinking. Now it's just made explicit.

Other holes would be filled at a higher level with option one, I assume, but they'd be basically going league minimum on catcher, RF, and maybe another reliever, along with the second starter. Personally, I'm very okay with that.

Option 2 creates a bunch of mediocre. They likely still don't go big on all all the areas, but they have a little more flexibility in 2-3 more areas than in option 1 to get someone a little pricier (think Pederson in RF, Yadi at catcher, Hand at RP - but probably only one, maybe two of those). Pitching would then require hoping a couple of budget options work out. 

Obviously it also depends whether one believes Bauer's upgrades are more flash than substance and repeatable for multiple seasons. I personally buy in on that, so as far as I'm concerned, my vote is still Bauer, and trade for a cost controlled option like Musgrove - screw the cost of it. Then pick up a defense first guy who can cover CF (I'd be okay with bringing Goodwin back, tbh, if he's still cheap), another relatively inexpensive reliever (maybe 3-5m if the money is there), and someone like Castro at catcher. 

It sounds like it's not new but then again your suggestion is more of an option 3 which I believe that's what we've all been talking about. 

Bauer then trade for someone is an option 3 which I prefer as well. 

And to agree with you, yes I'd rather have the Bauer option and not the lower level / multiple guys option.

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