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26 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

If a draft lottery takes place, and the Halos end up around #4 with Rocker and Leiter both off the board, Jaden Hill would be a great pick.   

Despite limited college innings, and despite a lack of instruction in HS, the LSU pitching coach has reportedly worked well with him and loves his potential.

Sits on 93-95mph and touches 98mph with good movement due to excellent verticality, solid slider and change, and developing a cutter that has good verticality to it.

They also think he will add a couple of mph to the heat.   

The Angels seem to have good success with well-built, big boned or lankey pitchers (Colon, Escobar, Lackey, Weaver Santana etc) Kumar Rocker is the perfect candidate IMO, haven't looked at Hill yet or any of the other prospects.  Red Sox making a hard run at Kumar only .5 game ahead of us.

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Think of the White Castle endorsement deals this kid has waiting for him!

I think you guys have to stop including Shohei Ohtani in the potential pitching depth chart for the next 3 years.  As depressing as that is to say

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14 minutes ago, Angel said:

The Angels seem to have good success with well-built, big boned or lankey pitchers (Colon, Escobar, Lackey, Weaver Santana etc) Kumar Rocker is the perfect candidate IMO, haven't looked at Hill yet or any of the other prospects.  Red Sox making a hard run at Kumar only .5 game ahead of us.

Hill is 6-4/233, similar to Rocker except some 20 lbs lighter.   In fact, some scouts think he has Rocker potential, but is behind him in development. 

Hill's delivery is pretty clean, nothing high maintenance.

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On 8/28/2020 at 9:17 AM, Angel Oracle said:

Hill is 6-4/233, similar to Rocker except some 20 lbs lighter.   In fact, some scouts think he has Rocker potential, but is behind him in development. 

Hill's delivery is pretty clean, nothing high maintenance.

looks like a lot of effort in his delivery to me.  

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We got 21 games left and we’re at 14 wins.  Would anyone be surprised if we ended up around .500 in those last 21 games and end up winning 24 or 25 games on the season, thus Eliminating us from the Rocker chase?   Our record is worse than our team.  And while 8 games isn’t a big sample size for our starters, they’ve pitched much better lately.  What I’d like to do is hold my nose, look the other way and lose enough to draft a stud pitcher. At the same time, as a fan, I prefer watching them win games. 

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On 8/31/2020 at 11:43 AM, rafibomb said:

 

Translated.....the Yankees need young pitchers but will have a W-L record removing them from being eligible for a top draft pick.  MLB is looking at all options.

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6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

We got 21 games left and we’re at 14 wins.  Would anyone be surprised if we ended up around .500 in those last 21 games and end up winning 24 or 25 games on the season, thus Eliminating us from the Rocker chase?   Our record is worse than our team.  And while 8 games isn’t a big sample size for our starters, they’ve pitched much better lately.  What I’d like to do is hold my nose, look the other way and lose enough to draft a stud pitcher. At the same time, as a fan, I prefer watching them win games. 

This is the Angels circle of despair for fans......hoping for loses to draft a stud pitcher will only result in more wins......hoping for more wins to make the playoffs will only result in more loses.  The Angels will end up being somewhere in the middle allowing everyone on AW to have something to complain about or something to hope for during the off season.

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14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

We got 21 games left and we’re at 14 wins.  Would anyone be surprised if we ended up around .500 in those last 21 games and end up winning 24 or 25 games on the season, thus Eliminating us from the Rocker chase?   Our record is worse than our team.  And while 8 games isn’t a big sample size for our starters, they’ve pitched much better lately.  What I’d like to do is hold my nose, look the other way and lose enough to draft a stud pitcher. At the same time, as a fan, I prefer watching them win games. 

That's the eternal dilemma, and I'm with you. My head wants them to lose, my heart wants them to win every game.

But, yeah. I could easily seem them going something like 13-8 the rest of the year, which would bring the season record up to 27-33. Still a decent draft pick, but more like the 10th pick.

I haven't heavily scouted the draftees, but it seems like there's an "elite" group of five or six picks, and for pitchers two stand out above the rest--Rocker and Leiter--although Hill is comparable in upside, but with more question marks, and Little and Painter are also possible top 10 picks. Barring injury, Rocker and Leiter will almost certainly go in the top 5, if not 1-2. Hill might fall out of the top 5. But we've got a lot of time still until next July.

There are also a couple nice catching prospects in Moller and Del Castillo. Moller is only 17, so probably wouldn't be in the majors for 4-5 years, but Del Castillo is 20 and could be more like 2-3.

 

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19 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I can't imagine they'd do a pure lottery. Yeah, let's give the Dodgers a chance at the #1 pick.

Maybe they could take it in five team groups: the worst five teams get a random 1-5 pick, the next five 6-10, etc. Or maybe 10 team groups. 

they'd have to exclude playoff teams at least.  

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Just now, Dochalo said:

Also, the rankings normally changes a decent amount from now until the next draft.  I'm sure a few will emerge while several others will fall.  

Yes. Hill, for instance, could be right there with Rocker/Leiter, or he could fall to the 2nd round if significant injury issues materialize more fully.

Regardless, it is a good draft. A top five pick will yield a very talented player; top 10 is still quite good. Not sure beyond that.

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3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yes. Hill, for instance, could be right there with Rocker/Leiter, or he could fall to the 2nd round if significant injury issues materialize more fully.

Regardless, it is a good draft. A top five pick will yield a very talented player; top 10 is still quite good. Not sure beyond that.

We are going to F around and go on a win streak.  We will end up with 10 to 15 pick.

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Yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised to play above .500 ball the rest of the year and finish outside the top 5 pick range.  Based on our Pyth/BR projections, we're anywhere from 3-5 wins below where we should be given our team stats so we've been both mediocre and one of the most unlucky teams in the league as well.

 

 

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