Trading away Jean Segura

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Sean Newcomb also just got sent down again. 

Maybe somebody else can chime in with something more statistically concrete, but as a “looking judge” fan it seems he either doesn’t throw strikes or gets hammered when he does throw strikes. 

The dude is 6’5” and throws left handed and has a fastball in the mid 90s.

How is this guy not an upper half of the rotation starter by now, unless maybe he just doesn’t know how to pitch?

Honest question: Is he dumb?

[zenmaster]

Since this was almost a decade ago we can't look at it in a vacuum. A ton of things would have went down differently since then if we didn't trade him back then. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

Maybe somebody else can chime in with something more statistically concrete, but as a “looking judge” fan it seems he either doesn’t throw strikes or gets hammered when he does throw strikes. 

The dude is 6’5” and throws left handed and has a fastball in the mid 90s.

How is this guy not an upper half of the rotation starter by now, unless maybe he just doesn’t know how to pitch?

Honest question: Is he dumb?

Command/control issues.   

When he starts to miss he puts guys on or throws dead red and it goes super far.

His inability to keep from walking people remains an issue.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, zenmaster said:

Since this was almost a decade ago we can't look at it in a vacuum. A ton of things would have went down differently since then if we didn't trade him back then. 

Yes, it would have changed a lot of future decision making. Primarily the clusterfrack that was third base. Callaspo could have been traded, no Freese, Escobar or Valbuena.

Even the progressive change over of the infield would have made sense. Aybar for Simmons could still have taken place. The eventual transition of Kendrick to Fletcher could have been gradual without the clusterfrack of Giavotella and a parade of no glove no/bat replacement players.

Stability instead of a rotation of 2nd or 3rd tier free agents or trades that never helped the ball club short or long term. That energy, time and money could have been invested into pitching. Instead it was a constant cycle of wasting resources to fix a problem that could have been avoided with just a little patience. 

But Dipoto was a young bull that wanted to run up a hill to screw a cow instead of walk and have the strength to lay the herd. 

[Blarg]

10 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Command/control issues.   

When he starts to miss he puts guys on or throws dead red and it goes super far.

His inability to keep from walking people remains an issue.

Yeah but what about in five years, how will that trade look then?

[floplag]

[Inside Pitch]

5 hours ago, Blarg said:

Yeah but what about in five years, how will that trade look then?

Unlike trading Segura, it will still be a good trade for the Angels.

[Taylor]

Hey, what's the deal with the Angels trading Jim Edmonds? It seems like they could have gotten a better return for him.

[Jeff Fletcher]

11 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

Maybe somebody else can chime in with something more statistically concrete, but as a “looking judge” fan it seems he either doesn’t throw strikes or gets hammered when he does throw strikes. 

The dude is 6’5” and throws left handed and has a fastball in the mid 90s.

How is this guy not an upper half of the rotation starter by now, unless maybe he just doesn’t know how to pitch?

Honest question: Is he dumb?

Pitching is hard. A lot more guys fail than succeed. 

[failos]

Isn’t Jean a clubhouse cancer? He seems to move around a lot 

[NrM]

Randal Grichuk was another guy people were very salty about trading.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, NrM said:

Randal Grichuk was another guy people were very salty about trading.

Fernando Salas is the devil.

[NrM]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Fernando Salas is the devil.

haha true.. david freese was pretty good at least

[Inside Pitch]

Just now, NrM said:

haha true.. david freese was pretty good though

He turned out being better than I actually believed he would be.   But including Grichuk for Salas was so stupid.

[Tank]

On 8/12/2020 at 4:42 PM, Taylor said:

Hey, what's the deal with the Angels trading Jim Edmonds? It seems like they could have gotten a better return for him.

He’s no Tom Brunansky.