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Just now, Brandon said:

I'll probably go position by position, but you gave me an idea with pitching.

Go position by position, but then do a your best & favorite 25-man roster thread when you're all done. 

That will be fun! 

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9 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I understand how Fregosi is the obvious choice here based on WAR and overall stats, but I wasn't old enough to watch him play. 

I am, he was damn good and I was shocked when the Angels traded him but when you look back at the trade the Angels got four players for him. That gives you an idea of how his worth was perceived back then, even after a down year. 

Frank Estrada was a 23 year old prospect catcher.

Don Rose a 24 year old prospect pitcher.

Leroy Stanton a 24 year old prospect pitcher. 

Nolan Ryan a 24 year old pitcher with a blazing fastball but control issues.

Only Ryan panned out but the haul was substantial for Fregosi. But the downside was Ryan had 7 different starting shortstops during his tenure with the Angels and not a single one of them was worth a damn. 

From 2001 through today the Angels have had four shortstops and all have been good to excellent. Eckstein, Cabrerra, Aybar and Simmons. That is a very stable passing of the torch that Ryan never saw as an Angel and not until Dock Schoefield in 1984 did the Angels lock down that position for multiple seasons. 

It really makes me wonder if Simmons walks can the Angels can keep their streak alive, keeping the hot corner hot. 

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Fregosi has been the best all around ss the Angels have had.  Yeah, Simmons is the best defensively. But not the best all around. Fregosi was pretty good on defense too, but was a much better hitter.

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With Aybar listed as a top 5 and ahead of Simmons, let's reminisce about the good ald days when this board was full of Aybar sucks posts and free Brandon Wood posts.

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40 minutes ago, stormngt said:

With Aybar listed as a top 5 and ahead of Simmons, let's reminisce about the good ald days when this board was full of Aybar sucks posts and free Brandon Wood posts.

It is funny to think about those days, back when Aybar was considered a lower upside prospect. He was probably underrated due to the constant comparisons to Wood.

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These polls are always fun because it's so subjective with how we weight the total contributions of long time players vs short term impact. I think if Simmons plays 10+ years for us he'll probably still end up second on this list.

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He was an honorable mention, but I remember Gary Disarcina was having a great year with the bat in '95. Things started to unravel in the regular season once he got hurt.

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On 5/22/2020 at 1:27 AM, Chuckster70 said:

Gus Polidor. 

The late-Gus Polidor was one of my favorites on those late-80's clubs.  Always saw the upside in Polidor as we as fans were beginning to get tired of Schofield's lack of offensive production.

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Working on all-time Angels list and have created formula for all-time roster.  Here are my top 10 shortstops based on this as of now "secret formula."

1. Jim Fregosi

2. Erick Aybar

3. Andrelton Simmons

4. Orlando Cabrera

5. David Eckstein

6. Maicer Izturis

7. Dick Schofield

8. Gary Disarcina

9. Dave Chalk

10. Rick Burleson

 

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On 5/22/2020 at 8:17 AM, Blarg said:

I am, he was damn good and I was shocked when the Angels traded him but when you look back at the trade the Angels got four players for him. That gives you an idea of how his worth was perceived back then, even after a down year. 

Frank Estrada was a 23 year old prospect catcher.

Don Rose a 24 year old prospect pitcher.

Leroy Stanton a 24 year old prospect pitcher. 

Nolan Ryan a 24 year old pitcher with a blazing fastball but control issues.

Only Ryan panned out but the haul was substantial for Fregosi. But the downside was Ryan had 7 different starting shortstops during his tenure with the Angels and not a single one of them was worth a damn. 

From 2001 through today the Angels have had four shortstops and all have been good to excellent. Eckstein, Cabrerra, Aybar and Simmons. That is a very stable passing of the torch that Ryan never saw as an Angel and not until Dock Schoefield in 1984 did the Angels lock down that position for multiple seasons. 

It really makes me wonder if Simmons walks can the Angels can keep their streak alive, keeping the hot corner hot. 

Stanton was an OF, best year with halos in 1975. Drafted by Seattle in 1976 expansion and had his best year in 1977,

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On 5/22/2020 at 8:17 AM, Blarg said:

I am, he was damn good and I was shocked when the Angels traded him but when you look back at the trade the Angels got four players for him. That gives you an idea of how his worth was perceived back then, even after a down year. 

Frank Estrada was a 23 year old prospect catcher.

Don Rose a 24 year old prospect pitcher.

Leroy Stanton a 24 year old prospect pitcher. 

Nolan Ryan a 24 year old pitcher with a blazing fastball but control issues.

Only Ryan panned out but the haul was substantial for Fregosi. But the downside was Ryan had 7 different starting shortstops during his tenure with the Angels and not a single one of them was worth a damn. 

From 2001 through today the Angels have had four shortstops and all have been good to excellent. Eckstein, Cabrerra, Aybar and Simmons. That is a very stable passing of the torch that Ryan never saw as an Angel and not until Dock Schoefield in 1984 did the Angels lock down that position for multiple seasons. 

It really makes me wonder if Simmons walks can the Angels can keep their streak alive, keeping the hot corner hot. 

Lee Stanton was a solid rightfielder for us for about 5 years.  He even led the club in homeruns one year with 14!  

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