Moving on from Simmons?

[floplag]

So ive been reading this week that there has been literally no discussion about an extension prior to the freeze and i was somewhat disappointed in this.
I was hoping they would retain him for a couple more years personally.  I dont see an obvious heir apparent, at least not one with his toolkit, and without front line pitching defense up the middle is critical.
Thoughts?

[fanfromday1]

Personally, I would like to see the Angels keep Simmons. His defense is a plus over anything we have in our system right now. However, I think it depends on how much Simmons believes in his worth. The Angels should offer him a fair price with a moderate raise and a reasonable extension in years. (I'll leave those 3 considerations up to Eppler). If Simmons doesn't like the offer, at least the Angels have put the ball in Simmons court, and it will be his decision to make. 

[Taylor]

If this season doesn't happen, I could see him agreeing to a 1-year deal for next season, with a team option to extend at the end of 2021.

[Claude]

31 minutes ago, floplag said:

So ive been reading this week that there has been literally no discussion about an extension prior to the freeze and i was somewhat disappointed in this.
I was hoping they would retain him for a couple more years personally.  I dont see an obvious heir apparent, at least not one with his toolkit, and without front line pitching defense up the middle is critical.
Thoughts?

If this season is cancelled he’s going to have to sign a cheap deal to stay. He won’t get his bounce-back season opportunity. 

[Angels 1961]

I would go after Marcus Semien, younger more power not as injury prone

[Angel Oracle]

13 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I would go after Marcus Semien, younger more power not as injury prone

Can only have so many large contracts.   Even after Pujols' contract runs out, that still leaves Rendon's and Trout's (just over $70 million total alone), plus Ohtani after 2023.

If Semien has another strong season like 2019, he will command big money as a FA after 2020 plus will also be 30 then

Best scenario, if Simba signs elsewhere, is to put Rengifo at SS.     

Edited April 20, 2020 by Angel Oracle

[Angels in 2030]

I'd prefer to move on and spend that money on a SP this off-season instead.  I think he'll age relatively well, but that's a questionable item.....and we can't afford that luxury.  

[DMVol]

I think part of the reason the Dodger deal fell apart was the team values Rengifo as a replacement....obviously the Dodgers liked him too....

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Can only have so many large contracts.   Even after Pujols' contract runs out, that still leaves Rendon's and Trout's (just over $70 million total alone), plus Ohtani after 2023.

If Semien has another strong season like 2019, he will command big money as a FA after 2020 plus will also be 30 then

Best scenario, if Simba signs elsewhere, is to put Rengifo at SS.     

3 years 60 mill for Seimen put another solid piece around Trout. 2020 could be totally lost many players against Arizona idea. Angels about 30 mill under lux tax now, if Angels cannot get front line pitching I'd gamble on Seimen.

[Stradling]

Semien is probably getting 5-7 years and $100-140 million. 

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, floplag said:

So ive been reading this week that there has been literally no discussion about an extension prior to the freeze and i was somewhat disappointed in this.
I was hoping they would retain him for a couple more years personally.  I dont see an obvious heir apparent, at least not one with his toolkit, and without front line pitching defense up the middle is critical.
Thoughts?

That article quotes Eppler as saying they had had discussions about extending him but since this coronavirus BS, they haven't had any conversations with him or his agents...  You're possibly assuming they are moving on but that's not what the article actually said.  That being said, you use the farm system to bring up cheap controllable players that allow you to spend in other areas.  Luis Rengifo is probably that guy if they do end up moving on from him.  He only logged 83 inning at SS, but managed to post a DRS of 1, and made 11 plays outside of the zone, according to Fangraphs.  He's not Simmons, nobody is but he's likely the better offensive player moving forward.

[Lou]

29 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

That article quotes Eppler as saying they had had discussions about extending him but since this coronavirus BS, they haven't had any conversations with him or his agents...  You're possibly assuming they are moving on but that's not what the article actually said.  That being said, you use the farm system to bring up cheap controllable players that allow you to spend in other areas.  Luis Rengifo is probably that guy if they do end up moving on from him.  He only logged 83 inning at SS, but managed to post a DRS of 1, and made 11 plays outside of the zone, according to Fangraphs.  He's not Simmons, nobody is but he's likely the better offensive player moving forward.

lol @ reading the article

[Angelsjunky]

LOL at Semien signing for 3/$60M after a breakout season that saw him finish third in AL MVP voting and 7.6 WAR.

 

[Angels 1961]

58 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

LOL at Semien signing for 3/$60M after a breakout season that saw him finish third in AL MVP voting and 7.6 WAR.

 

1 big year others average at best and I think contracts will be lower next due to virus and a lot of uncertainty going forward.

[Stax]

I hope the Angels do not sign Marcus Semien based upon one very good year like they did with Gary Matthews Jr.

[ukyah]

just keep simmons. his contract will be fair to affordable and he'll age very well. i'm with the original poster that said this pitching staff is built to necessitate superb defense all around the diamond. the infield defense is tight as it is, i'm happy with it.

[CanadianHalo]

Ideally I’d like to sign LeMahieu and put Fletcher at short. 

Makes our lineup that much deeper. 

[Stradling]

I might be the only one that doesn’t see Fletcher as a SS.  I prefer him at 2nd, 3rd and probably left field before SS.  As a guy that can fill in at SS for a day off he is fine.  But as your everyday SS, I just think we will be disappointed defensively.  Think of it as the reverse Eckstein.  We thought Eckstein was good until we got Orlando Cabrera.

[ettin]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

I might be the only one that doesn’t see Fletcher as a SS.  I prefer him at 2nd, 3rd and probably left field before SS.  As a guy that can fill in at SS for a day off he is fine.  But as your everyday SS, I just think we will be disappointed defensively.  Think of it as the reverse Eckstein.  We thought Eckstein was good until we got Orlando Cabrera.

No one is even close to Simmons defensively. Only person who sniffs him right now is Mondesi. Then it falls off to guys like Lindor, Story, et al after that. Even if he age-declines he's just coming down to Mondesi's level basically.

If air-tight defense is the goal, they should keep Andrelton.

[Lou]

Defensively speaking, Simmons is my favorite player to watch of all time. 

[Stradling]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

Defensively speaking, Simmons is my favorite player to watch of all time. 

I agree but it’s close because watching great center fielders do their thing is a lot of fun.  

[Lou]

33 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I agree but it’s close because watching great center fielders do their thing is a lot of fun.  

But we're lucky to see that even once per game. 

[Claude]

Simmons has been great defensively but I don’t think that he’s even a solid tradable commodity at this point. We probably wouldn’t get much in return. 
 

[Stradling]

Correct:

https://www.azsnakepit.com/2020/3/28/21197891/major-league-baseball-institutes-a-moratorium-on-all-roster-transactions-until-play-resumes

[floplag]

On 4/20/2020 at 1:08 PM, Inside Pitch said:

That article quotes Eppler as saying they had had discussions about extending him but since this coronavirus BS, they haven't had any conversations with him or his agents...  You're possibly assuming they are moving on but that's not what the article actually said.  That being said, you use the farm system to bring up cheap controllable players that allow you to spend in other areas.  Luis Rengifo is probably that guy if they do end up moving on from him.  He only logged 83 inning at SS, but managed to post a DRS of 1, and made 11 plays outside of the zone, according to Fangraphs.  He's not Simmons, nobody is but he's likely the better offensive player moving forward.

Yes, i read it... but there was ample time prior to that.  Weve speculated here before about such things, the fact that there was no conversations at all prior to Corona is somewhat telling as well i would think.