2020 Election

[Dtwncbad]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You think there's only 2600 Nazis or white nationalists in the US? 

Also, it wasn't meant to be a literal statement. But the far right is made up of Fascists and white supremacists and if you don't think he panders to that shit then I don't think your Trump support is a very recent development. 

Dude, the left has intentionally conflated nationalism with racism to win the political language war.

If you are going to argue that the President of the United States prioritizing the interests of the United States first is actually just “white nationalism” (=racism) than I know for certain you are a mentally controlled sheep who simply can’t see past your own politics.

I congratulate the left for creating this political landscape where all you have to do is explain to everyone that their opponent is just racist. . .

You can fool lots of people, that’s for sure.  Good for you.  But I am 100% fine saying I prioritize my country first and any attempt by others to pretend that is something it’s not isn’t my problem.

[tdawg87]

5 hours ago, Lhalo said:

Someone gives a reasonable thought out response and you reply with “ok?” What are you 7 years old? Why even bother posting that?

 

4 hours ago, Jason said:

I can respect this. You are spot on about the move to the extreme left. Contrary to what the media would have you believe, most Americans are not going to get behind that move. 

 

2 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Dude, the left has intentionally conflated nationalism with racism to win the political language war.

If you are going to argue that the President of the United States prioritizing the interests of the United States first is actually just “white nationalism” (=racism) than I know for certain you are a mentally controlled sheep who simply can’t see past your own politics.

I congratulate the left for creating this political landscape where all you have to do is explain to everyone that their opponent is just racist. . .

You can fool lots of people, that’s for sure.  Good for you.  But I am 100% fine saying I prioritize my country first and any attempt by others to pretend that is something it’s not isn’t my problem.

Lol

[Dtwncbad]

6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

 

 

Lol

If I have misplaced or misassigned some comments or feedback it wouldn’t surprise me. I am doing about 12 things at once right now.

I apologize for any misassigmment.

[tdawg87]

15 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If I have misplaced or misassigned some comments or feedback it wouldn’t surprise me. I am doing about 12 things at once right now.

I apologize for any misassigmment.

I'm just saying you kinda defended nationalism in your post. I don't think you meant white nationalism though so it's fine. 

[Taylor]

38 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Seriously you just eat up whatever the left wants  you to eat up.  Trump is so, so stupid and his voters are the dumbest human beings in the country but at the same time they have a secret language on a different frequency to share their hate and racism message.

”Dog whistle” is actually a dog whistle for “we have no proof of any actual hate or racism but we are going to pretend it is hidden in everything anyway.”

You're clearly very educated on this topic. Which books have you read or been reading? I'm open to recommendations.

[Redondo]

Mayors Lori Lightfoot of Chicago and Muriel Bowser of Washington, D.C., headlined a portion of the Democratic National Convention (DNC), discussing police reform and racial injustices against Black people, but critics pointed to both their handlings of recent protests in their own cities that some say contradict Monday night's message

/politics/lightfoot-bowser-slammed-handling-protests-dnc-policing-message

[Dtwncbad]

11 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm just saying you kinda defended nationalism in your post. I don't think you meant white nationalism though so it's fine. 

I would never hesitate to say there is nothing wrong with nationalism. From white people or black people or Hispanic people.  . . Whatever.

Trump is unapologetically a nationalist.  The only real viable strategy they have against it is to convince people that nationalism is racism.

Are some racists nationalist?  Sure.

Are nationalists racists?  That’s about as stupid as saying Angels fans are racist because the found two racist guys in Cerritos with an Angel hats on.

Its politics.

[Taylor]

4 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

I would never hesitate to say there is nothing wrong with nationalism. From white people or black people or Hispanic people.  . . Whatever.

Trump is unapologetically a nationalist.  The only real viable strategy they have against it is to convince people that nationalism is racism.

Are some racists nationalist?  Sure.

Are nationalists racists?  That’s about as stupid as saying Angels fans are racist because the found two racist guys in Cerritos with an Angel hats on.

Its politics.

Define what nationalism means to you.

[Dtwncbad]

11 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Define what nationalism means to you.

Putting the interests of your own country first.  My view is the President of the United States job is to specifically do so.  Not that they are to ignore global interests, but I definitely don’t want the President of the United States to defer to globalism and the UN and roll along with “what is best for everyone.”

You get eaten for lunch that way.  We need someone who fights for US.

I prioritize the interests of the United States over other countries, just as those countries posture for their specific interests.

[Rico]

53 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Putting the interests of your own country first.  

Trump has never done this.  He puts himself first.  His reelection matters more to him than the country being well off. 

[Brandon]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

Trump has never done this.  He puts himself first.  His reelection matters more to him than the country being well off. 

I go back and forth on this.

He definitely seems to be for his buddies (who in government isn't pulling for their constituents and donors?), but at the same time if America fails then he has egg on his face which he has too much ego and pride to let happen.

It's also kind of like the Sosh thing here. I think people give way too much credit and way too much blame to him. We have a system of checks and balances. Some orange guy is not going affect our lives the way people make it out to be.

[Dtwncbad]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Trump has never done this.  He puts himself first.  His reelection matters more to him than the country being well off. 

I find this silly but that’s your opinion.  It seems pretty easy to see he puts his country first.  I think lots of people hate him personally and/or hate what he is trying to accomplish for the US because they have a different vision for the country.

[Jason]

35 minutes ago, Rico said:

Trump has never done this.  He puts himself first.  His reelection matters more to him than the country being well off. 

I agree with this but it does seem to be a common theme amongst most of our elected officials. Trump is not unique on this one 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Reading through the last few pages I think one of the major disconnects comes from people projecting their beliefs about what they want the Republican party to be rather than what the party has actually become. It's great to want to support a party that will put Americans first while standing for personal responsibility, I can get behind that, but when I start to define the Republican platform under Trump I never get there. These days Republicans have become the party of anti-science, mega corporations, Trump himself, xenophobes and lib owners. I struggle to see where actual Americans fit in.  

[JarsOfClay]

24 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

I find this silly but that’s your opinion.  It seems pretty easy to see he puts his country first.  I think lots of people hate him personally and/or hate what he is trying to accomplish for the US because they have a different vision for the country.

Wow. Holy shit, just wow. 

I'm fucking speechless.

[Lhalo]

 

[Kevin]

I'm 1/1024 surprised.

[angelinkc]

The convention has been a real hit. It revealed Cuomo as an expert in pandemic management. Moochell blaming Trump for cages Barry built. Biden apparently is a centrist, socialist, and a Bible toting Christian. 

[Dtwncbad]

50 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

Wow. Holy shit, just wow. 

I'm fucking speechless.

And that is how I feel if anyone tells me any of these prominent Democrats put their country first.  Or that they actually care about minorities and racism rather than hijacking it, packaging it, promoting emotional hurt on purpose By selling victimhood, and then falsely selling themselves as the solution to the pain they cause.

That is what makes me react the same way.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

I find this silly but that’s your opinion.  It seems pretty easy to see he puts his country first.  I think lots of people hate him personally and/or hate what he is trying to accomplish for the US because they have a different vision for the country.

Let me put forward 3 examples of Trump putting himself over country just this year.

1.  Trump heavily pushed the drug hydrxychloroquine as a cure all to the coronavirus. The government purchased stockpiles of this drug and allowed it to be used on veterans. This is a drug that kills people with heart complications to be used for a virus that gives people heart complications. It was a deadly combination.  Trump has a personal investment in this drug and now the government has 63 million doses of it.

2.  Trump's Postmaster General successfully sabotaged mail service. He cut overtime, cut office hours, and had plans to remove 671 sorting machines. It's unclear how many sorting machines were actually removed but the damage has been done already. Trump went on Foxnews and said he doesn't want to fund the USPS because he is against mail-in voting. 

3. Trump has ignored our own military intelligence claiming Russia is paying bounties on US soldiers heads.  This intelligence was confirmed by our allies.  Some might say Trump has a personal interest in not pissing off Putin.

[Dtwncbad]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

Let me put forward 3 examples of Trump putting himself over country just this year.

1.  Trump heavily pushed the drug hydrxychloroquine as a cure all to the coronavirus. The government purchased stockpiles of this drug and allowed it to be used on veterans. This is a drug that kills people with heart complications to be used for a virus that gives people heart complications. It was a deadly combination.  Trump has a personal investment in this drug and now the government has 63 million doses of it.

2.  Trump's Postmaster General successfully sabotaged mail service. He cut overtime, cut office hours, and had plans to remove 671 sorting machines. It's unclear how many sorting machines were actually removed but the damage has been done already. Trump went on Foxnews and said he doesn't want to fund the USPS because he is against mail-in voting. 

3. Trump has ignored our own military intelligence claiming Russia is paying bounties on US soldiers heads.  This intelligence was confirmed by our allies.  Some might say Trump has a personal interest in not pissing off Putin.

1). What is the treatment for covid that produces the lowest mortality rate?  It includes hydro as part of the treatment.

2). The post office is about as obsolete as any business in the US.  We are very close to not needing them at all.  Today, it is a massive waste of money.  The election issue with mail in ballots is a separate issue.

3). Can you even begin to comprehend that this story is from unnamed sources?  So it may be entirely made up.  And if it is not made up and is actually real and leaked, the only rational responsible thing to do in dealing with it would be to do it clean up the leak and keep dealing with it through confidential intelligence sources, the CIA, etc.  Did you want him to sit down with Joy Behar and talk it out and take questions on it from Whoopi?

Notice the three things you cite all have a fat vein of dishonesty it how they are presented to the stupid public.  Gee, I wonder why.

[Blarg]

4 hours ago, Taylor said:

Trump panders to white nationalism and white supremacy when he uses buzz phrases like "Make America great again" and "law and order."

Google "dog whistle politics" for more info. The amount of self-identifying KKK members is a rounding error. The amount of people who would prefer an America where white people are separated from scary brown and black people? That represents a much larger voting block. 

Like Obama pandered to socialist and communist when he used Hope and Change for his slogans? I really wish you dumbasses would quit creating these alternate realities and claiming it to be some self evident truth. 

[Taylor]

9 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Like Obama pandered to socialist and communist when he used Hope and Change for his slogans? I really wish you dumbasses would quit creating these alternate realities and claiming it to be some self evident truth. 

Obama totally pandered to socialists. He presented himself as a progressive and then governed as a centrist.

What does that have to do with Trump?

[Dtwncbad]

Just now, Blarg said:

Like Obama pandered to socialist and communist when he used Hope and Change for his slogans? I really wish you dumbasses would quit creating these alternate realities and claiming it to be some self evident truth. 

I like how they are against the literal meaning of the words “Make America Great Again” saying it is a dog whistle for racism even though literally every single person who embraces the saying always says they simply want to prioritize this country.  So the left rejects the literal meaning but says it is the hidden meaning behind the slogan that matters.

Now contrast BLM where they stick to a tantrum over insisting everyone be on board because of the simple words that black lives do matter.  But they refuse to even consider the not so hidden message behind the slogan directly from the actual BLM organization that openly and in writing admits the goal is to promote Marxism and to fundamentally tear down American institutions as we know them.

MAGA: Ignore actual words here. They don’t matter.  What matters is our imagined hidden message we are certain is real despite no actual evidence that message exists at all.

BLM: Insist nothing other then the actual words matter.  And in fact ignore the not hidden at all openly available message behind it that has nothing to do with black lives mattering.

How can honest rational people process this?

[Taylor]

When Trump is no longer president, if I ever defend Biden/whomever by saying, "But Trump ..." please slap me in the face.