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7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Funny how you disregard that the trade if it goes through would be more players than just Rengifo for Joc.    

Guess we will have to wait for the final haul then. Right now, it's clear Rengifo wasn't worth much and was once again overvalued by many here.

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Just now, rafibomb said:

Would you guys rather give up a top-5 prospect for Maeda to complete the deal or have it die and not get Pederson, Stripling and Pages at all?

These are separate deals going on... if anything The Twins are going to have to kick in something else or the Dodgers will have to throw in a prospect to replace the ones proposed. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, TroutField said:

These are separate deals going on... if anything The Twins are going to have to kick in something else or the Dodgers will have to throw in a prospect to replace the ones proposed. 
 

 

I'd figure if the deal fell through the Dodgers would have no reason to trade Joc anymore, right? Also read on another page here that the Dodgers were talking with us to fill the void of the twins.

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3 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Would you guys rather give up a top-5 prospect for Maeda to complete the deal or have it die and not get Pederson, Stripling and Pages at all?

i would be ok if they included adams in the deal to get it done with maeda. the addition of maeda, stripling, pederson can really help this team this year. i could get over losing adams for that opportunity. also, both pitchers have very nice costs connected to them.

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Just a quick blurb from the Athletic, confirming the players going to the Angels and on Graterol's workload as starter being the holdup. 

Note that it just says we're sending one prospect back in that trade. 

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4 minutes ago, TroutField said:

These are separate deals going on... if anything The Twins are going to have to kick in something else or the Dodgers will have to throw in a prospect to replace the ones proposed. 
 

 

true, but there's a blurb about the deal potentially shifting to the angels as the 3rd team rather than the twins. in that scenario we'd be getting maeda as well for a higher prospect.

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4 minutes ago, ukyah said:

no it's not, in any way shape or form. you're just being intentionally stupid and that's boring and weaksauce. at least come up with a clever troll.

Okay so then it changed again. Hard to keep up with the constant updates. That's all the info MLBTR has.

*EDIT* I just saw the new tweet so depending on the prospect the Angels are including, Rengifo is worth more than just Joc.

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12 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Guess we will have to wait for the final haul then. Right now, it's clear Rengifo wasn't worth much and was once again overvalued by many here.

No it’s not clear. 

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9 minutes ago, ukyah said:

true, but there's a blurb about the deal potentially shifting to the angels as the 3rd team rather than the twins. in that scenario we'd be getting maeda as well for a higher prospect.

Haven’t seen that blurb anywhere. Everything I have seen says the Twins or Dodgers are going to have to kick in some cash or another prospect. That deal getting done is delaying the Angels-Dogs trade. 

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6 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Okay so then it changed again. Hard to keep up with the constant updates. That's all the info MLBTR has.

*EDIT* I just saw the new tweet so depending on the prospect the Angels are including, Rengifo is worth more than just Joc.

it's been pederson, pages and a major league starter for rengifo and a prospect from the first reports. it has never waivered from that minimum trade. rengifo is the name on our end so depending on the prospect he's actually netted a pretty nice return in this deal.

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23 minutes ago, TroutField said:

Haven’t seen that blurb anywhere. Everything I have seen says the Twins or Dodgers are going to have to kick in some cash or another prospect. That deal getting done is delaying the Angels-Dogs trade. 

That LA thinking men twitter that posted about Graterol’s medical issue holdup before everyone else mentioned that as a possibility. They also posted about the Betts trade for Verdugo before anyone else. 

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46 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Guess we will have to wait for the final haul then. Right now, it's clear Rengifo wasn't worth much and was once again overvalued by many here.

"Right now" there is no deal....   

As far as the rest of this goes,  you're using incomplete information to point to a conclusion you want.  The only measure of how good Rengifo is, or will be, is what he ends up doing as a MLB player.   

You spiking the ball when you haven't scored is pretty funny at least.

 

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28 minutes ago, ukyah said:

it's been pederson, pages and a major league starter for rengifo and a prospect from the first reports. it has never waivered from that minimum trade. rengifo is the name on our end so depending on the prospect he's actually netted a pretty nice return in this deal.

But narratives....

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33 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Okay so then it changed again. Hard to keep up with the constant updates. That's all the info MLBTR has.

*EDIT* I just saw the new tweet so depending on the prospect the Angels are including, Rengifo is worth more than just Joc.

I think you just weren’t following closely. It was reported only as Rengifo for Joc initially. Then more details were added.

First we heard the Angels were sending a non-top prospect to the Dodgers and were getting a major league pitcher (who was widely believed at the time to be Stripling - confirmed this morning) and a prospect (Pages) who is said by analysts to be a top ten prospect for us if the deal goes through (he was around 15-20 for the a Dodgers). 

So what we know so far is the Angels are getting:

- Joc Pederson

- Ross Stripling

- Andy Pages

Dodgers are getting:

- Rengifo

- At least one prospect. Possibly two. 

Most reports have it as one prospect, and Fabian Ardaya reported it as not a top prospect (specifically, not Adell, Marsh, or Jackson - assume Adams doesn’t qualify either).

That is where it currently stands. 

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12 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

"Right now" there is no deal....   

As far as the rest of this goes,  you're using incomplete information to point to a conclusion you want.  The only measure of how good Rengifo is, or will be, is what he ends up doing as a MLB player.   

You spiking the ball when you haven't scored is pretty funny at least.

 

haha!!  I'm totally stealing that.  

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If there's one guy that might not be considered a top prospect who I'd be really bummed about giving up, it's Chris Rodriguez.  

And as far as Rengifo is concerned, the dogs could have probably dumped Joc and his salary on another team pretty easily.  Yet they're willing to give up a good starter and another prospect In order to get him so someone in the dogs org sees him as having some strong value.  It just goes to show how complicated these deals can be and how hard trades are because of how different each team's eval process is.  

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