Mike Trout on playing CF

[Lifetime]

As long as you don't disagree, then the whole world can move on ha?

why are you here in this discussion? 

[Lifetime]

From what ive been reading and hearing all offseason and season long is that Dipoto did not want to trade Bourjos. By all accounts several organizations showed interest but.he wanted to roll with.this all world defense this season.

really, so who are the other teams that showed interest and had quality pitching to send in return?

[fan_since79]

 

how many times do we have to go through this? Trout doesn't bat better when he plays CF. 

 

Trout while in LF last year - nearly double the AB's vs this year so far - 

.326 .395 .645 1.040

 

 

This year his OPS while playing CF is 300 points higher than when playing left.

 

BA as LF, .247

BA as CF, .324

[Lifetime]

The OF defense hasn't done crap for the rotation we already have.

what is your point here exactly?

[Tyler]

Mets and Marlins.

[Lifetime]

This year his OPS while playing CF is 300 points higher than when playing left.

and again, on a much smaller sample size. There is nothing to indicate his defensive position has anything to do with his offense in April. 

[jshep]

The only specific name I recall being mentioned in direct connection to Bourjos was Ricky Nolasco(and that was something about the Marlins would trade Ricky Nolasco for Bourjos or Trumbo if offered, which was courtesy of Captain Obvious).

 

And that would have been a pretty terrible trade to make.

 

Everything else your typical vague "x team could be interested" stuff, which certainly doesn't indicate that a team was willing to trade anything worthwhile for him.

[Lifetime]

Mets and Marlins.

so they had quality pitching in return? do tell.

[Ray McKigney]

But there is zero reason to believe that that's the case.

 

So the team should play the better center fielder in CF. And that would be Bourjos.

 

In 33 games playing center this season, Trout is hitting .331/.401/.654 with eight home runs and 25 RBI.

 

In 22 games in left field this season, he's hitting .247/.327/.412 with two home runs and 12 RBI.

[Tyler]

The Marlins one actually said multiple pitching prospects. And they have good ones. Same with the Mets.

[fan_since79]

and again, on a much smaller sample size. There is nothing to indicate his defensive position has anything to do with his offense in April. 

Not "much smaller".

 

22 games in left compared to 35 as CF.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=troutmi01&year=2013&t=b#defp

[jshep]

In 33 games playing center this season, Trout is hitting .331/.401/.654 with eight home runs and 25 RBI.

 

In 22 games in left field this season, he's hitting .247/.327/.412 with two home runs and 12 RBI.

 

Except as Lifetime has pointed out, Trout actually posted stronger numbers in a larger sample size in LF last season.

 

And then there's the fact that Trout made an adjustment in his stance at the plate with Pujols' help, and Trout himself has credited that with his offensive surge.

[Lifetime]

in 47 games in LF last year (nearly twice this year's number) 157 PA 

.326 .395 .645 1.040

 

In 33 games playing center this season, Trout is hitting .331/.401/.654 with eight home runs and 25 RBI.

 

In 22 games in left field this season, he's hitting .247/.327/.412 with two home runs and 12 RBI.

[Lifetime]

Not "much smaller".

 

22 games in left compared to 35 as CF.

yes, much smaller and he played 47 games in LF last year which is what I am referring to.

[Lifetime]

The Marlins one actually said multiple pitching prospects. And they have good ones. Same with the Mets.

let's see it. 

[Ray McKigney]

Except as Lifetime has pointed out, Trout actually posted stronger numbers in a larger sample size in LF last season.

 

And then there's the fact that Trout made an adjustment in his stance around that same timeframe.

 

 

 

in 47 games in LF last year (nearly twice this year's number) 157 PA 

.326 .395 .645 1.040

 

 

 

We're discussing this season not last season.

[Tyler]

See what?

[fan_since79]

yes, much smaller and he played 47 games in LF last year.

I disagree on your meaning of "much".

 

He started to rake after Bourjos went down. Simple as that.

[jshep]

 

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Trout says that in midst of his early-season struggles,he and Pujols compared video of Trout '12/'13. Lowered his stance;has hit much better

[Lifetime]

LOL yes I know. You're completely ignoring results from last year on a larger sample and using the smaller sample to justify the argument that the defensive position is effecting his offense. It doesn't hold water - which is the point I am making. 

[xboom28x]

what is your point here exactly?

that having the better defensive outfield didn't help the Angels rotation pitch any better in April.

[Lifetime]

I disagree on your meaning of "much".

 

He started to rake after Bourjos went down. Simple as that.

My meaning of much is nearly double the games this year versus last. That's a big difference.

 

Post hoc reasoning is fun though.

 

correlation does not equate to causation

[xboom28x]

 

in 47 games in LF last year (nearly twice this year's number) 157 PA 

.326 .395 .645 1.040

 

He didn't start most of those games in LF.

 

Several of those games he was moved to LF late in the game so Bourjos could play CF with a lead after the 7th inning.

[Lifetime]

that having the better defensive outfield didn't help the Angels rotation pitch any better in April.

OK, it wasn't supposed to. But good point I guess.

[Ray McKigney]

Trout should play CF.

 

He didn't start most of those games in LF.

 

Several of those games he was moved to LF late in the game so Bourjos could play CF with a lead after the 7th inning.

 

Yeah, that's a good point, xboom.