SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

[ten ocho recon scout]

5 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

This is such bullshit that we are at this point.

There's no excuse for the lack of testing.

Test, test, test.

I think, essentially, they know they dont have enough everything.

[RallyMo]

1 minute ago, angelinkc said:

Agree. Testing will reveal the true lethality of this disease 

It would also decrease the lethality in terms of total numbers and be instrumented in slowing it down. Other countries have point of care testing that results with 95% certainty in around 15 minutes. We should have this, FFS.

[angelinkc]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

0.9%

.5% in countries with extensive testing.  Get it right

[angelinkc]

4 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

It would also decrease the lethality in terms of total numbers and be instrumented in slowing it down. Other countries have point of care testing that results with 95% certainty in around 15 minutes. We should have this, FFS.

No doubt. The one major flaw in how we handled this. Testing would help stop spread and prove or disprove the lethality. 

[red321]

17 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

This is such bullshit that we are at this point.

There's no excuse for the lack of testing.

Test, test, test.

I think the thought process is we are past the point where that would make a significant difference, that moment was missed.  The resources required to do the testing are needed to ensure people who have the virus and need medical help can get it. 
 

if people listen to the shelter in place order it should help flatten the curve. If you have symptoms and they are mild, you don’t need a test to confirm, isolate yourself and get better . If, and only if, your symptoms get worse than you go in for treatment  

 

it also highlights the administrations lack of candor when it comes to our ability to quickly test and get results, even at this point  

 

[Blarg]

9 minutes ago, angelinkc said:

.5% in countries with extensive testing.  Get it right

Obviously not in your neighborhood. 

[Taylor]

[Blarg]

 

We have a population of 331 million people so please do not talk about how the US does not have enough test kits for this new virus as if it were, somehow, an oversight.

We can't supply enough masks for hospitals even while shifting industry production to 24/7 with multiple new sources. There is a finite amount of resources and products available to handle these types of global epidemics and all of the most needed items do have expiration dates so it's not as though there is an ecomincally feasible method of warehousing supplies and keeping the stock rotating. 

We are going to get our ass kicked by this like the East Coast will get a 100 years hurricane and the supply chain has to catch up. 

[angelinkc]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

 

We have a population of 331 million people so please do not talk about how the US does not have enough test kits for this new virus as if it were, somehow, an oversight.

We can't supply enough masks for hospitals even while shifting industry production to 24/7 with multiple new sources. There is a finite amount of resources and products available to handle these types of global epidemics and all of the most needed items do have expiration dates so it's not as though there is an ecomincally feasible method of warehousing supplies and keeping the stock rotating. 

We are going to get our ass kicked by this like the East Coast will get a 100 years hurricane and the supply chain has to catch up. 

I would like to think we could at least out test some of these socialist utopias. Not asking for 300 million

[ten ocho recon scout]

Since everyone has the time, you should go back to page 1 of this....

Its a good representation of the world. Ranged from FS saying "be afraid", to the rest of us either lukewarm saying "meh, maybe", to "lol" etc. And I dont day that to laugh at any of us... its not funny. But damn did we all sleep on this.

Who would have thought 2 months ago the world was gonna shut down over this? Crazy.

Kobe dies..... i remember reading comments in youtube videos from overreacting people saying "its only january, and its the worst year ever". And i rolled my eyes.

Now..... 

I still fully believe it will get horrible, and we will bounce back fine. Its just going to be very sad and surreal the next few months.

[ten ocho recon scout]

27 minutes ago, angelinkc said:

No doubt. The one major flaw in how we handled this. Testing would help stop spread and prove or disprove the lethality. 

Whereas i think we should all be tested, I think the problem is there arent enough tests, and they know it. 

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Blarg looks like Trump or Hannity in the first few pages.

And also in every other page.

[red321]

14 minutes ago, Blarg said:

 

We have a population of 331 million people so please do not talk about how the US does not have enough test kits for this new virus as if it were, somehow, an oversight.

We can't supply enough masks for hospitals even while shifting industry production to 24/7 with multiple new sources. There is a finite amount of resources and products available to handle these types of global epidemics and all of the most needed items do have expiration dates so it's not as though there is an ecomincally feasible method of warehousing supplies and keeping the stock rotating. 

We are going to get our ass kicked by this like the East Coast will get a 100 years hurricane and the supply chain has to catch up. 

Bullshit. It’s a combination of lack of planning and ignoring all the warning signs. 
 

the Obama administration put out recommendations after the Ebola scare. They ran a simulation with the incoming administration, and the current administration ran their own. Multiple failures were documented, and ignored. 
 

intelligence community gave warnings I. January and February that this had the potential to be bad. Ignored. (See Washington Post yesterday)

and it’s well documented the failures to get testing up and running. 
 

and yes, with strategic planning it is possible to stockpile these goods and rotate them. It’s a precautionary investment you take so you don’t end up like we are today. 

[Blarg]

I didn't know you could stockpile a tst kit for an unknown and undefined virus.

[angelinkc]

 You guys emasculated blarg

[angelinkc]

All I’m saying if Germany test 200k we should be at a million. We are exceptional people

[Lhalo]

In the press conference today the President said they are ordering hundreds of thousands of mechanical ventilators. That tells me they expect millions to be in the ICU. I can see over a million people in the US dying from this, perhaps multiple millions. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

In the press conference today the President said they are ordering hundreds of thousands of mechanical ventilators. That tells me they expect millions to be in the ICU. I can see over a million people in the US dying from this, perhaps multiple millions. 

Hate to say it, but same here. 

But, if we stretch it out, we'll get through it

[red321]

10 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I didn't know you could stockpile a tst kit for an unknown and undefined virus.

You can stockpile masks and other medical supplies with the understanding you may not use them. Much like our earthquake preparedness kit. 
 

uou can also stockpile test related items. Swabs, sanitation equipment, etc. that has been one if the challenges. 

[angelinkc]

25 minutes ago, red321 said:

Bullshit. It’s a combination of lack of planning and ignoring all the warning signs. 
 

the Obama administration put out recommendations after the Ebola scare. They ran a simulation with the incoming administration, and the current administration ran their own. Multiple failures were documented, and ignored. 
 

intelligence community gave warnings I. January and February that this had the potential to be bad. Ignored. (See Washington Post yesterday)

and it’s well documented the failures to get testing up and running. 
 

and yes, with strategic planning it is possible to stockpile these goods and rotate them. It’s a precautionary investment you take so you don’t end up like we are today. 

Time will tell on this thing. We are two months into the crisis and about 12k deaths short of swine fly year total . I believe this virus is more lethal but has a ways to go to prove it

[Lhalo]

1 minute ago, red321 said:

You can stockpile masks and other medical supplies with the understanding you may not use them. Much like our earthquake preparedness kit. 
 

uou can also stockpile test related items. Swabs, sanitation equipment, etc. that has been one if the challenges. 

They did stockpile masks. FEMA is in the process of distributing them. 

[Blarg]

4 minutes ago, red321 said:

You can stockpile masks and other medical supplies with the understanding you may not use them. Much like our earthquake preparedness kit. 
 

uou can also stockpile test related items. Swabs, sanitation equipment, etc. that has been one if the challenges. 

Your earthquake preparedness kit is now the gold standard for the country? Come on Red, your argument is simply exploiting the moment in time and has nothing to do with what reasonable precautions call for. If you think there was call for $500 billion dollars worth of medical supplies, controlled by the federal government, then why didn't Obama set up that untouchable stockpile and supply chain after SARs? Why didn't Brown set up the same safeguards for California? 

I hate this kind of exploitative argument to claim your side was right all along when your side did nothing when it was in charge. 

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Ha ha.  He looks like a woman 

You like an ass in all of these threads. So far your participation is to play the antagonist and nothing more.

[angelinkc]

19 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

In the press conference today the President said they are ordering hundreds of thousands of mechanical ventilators. That tells me they expect millions to be in the ICU. I can see over a million people in the US dying from this, perhaps multiple millions. 

Could be right. If everyone got it at current at death rate .5% would kill over a million. I’m going to say 80-150k this year

[Lhalo]

The death rate is going to skyrocket once the ICU beds are all filled.