Simmons Extension?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 1/8/2020 at 8:11 PM, Second Base said:

Simmons helps out the pitching staff. I'd keep him as long as he can stay healthy.

This is a major point. Simmons is a generational talent defensively, and since coming west he has hit, which was the one knock on his game in Atlanta.

[Lou]

If Simmons leaves,  we'll be starving for a shortstop.

 

[ettin]

9 minutes ago, Lou said:

If Simmons leaves,  we'll de starving for a shortstop.

 

Lou, with greatest respect, you are being an asshole right now.

[Lou]

Just now, ettin said:

Lou, with greatest respect, you are being an asshole right now.

Weekend ettin isn't as fun as weekday ettin. 

[ettin]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Weekend ettin isn't as fun as weekday ettin. 

Same, apparently.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, ettin said:

Same, apparently.

Haha. Wrong.

I'm hilarious on weekends. 

[Lou]

Just now, Lou said:

Haha. Wrong.

I'm hilarious on weekends. 

I agree

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, ettin said:

Reds, Orioles, Royals, Twins, Dodgers, White Sox, Mets, Diamondbacks, Braves, Giants. All would be upgraded by Simmons.

orioles royals giants aren't going to spend on simmons.   

dogs, twins and white sox already have solid production from that position.  If the dogs were going to make a move at SS it would be for Lindor.  

mets have Rosrio who is cheap.  

Swanson could easily break out this year and even if he's just solid, I don't think the Braves give up on him.  

Maybe the dbacks unless they put Marte there.  

the Reds would likely have interest.  

you and I have gone back and forth on this a bit.  I think you are over-estimating SS demand.  

however, I do agree that the Halos should extend Simmons now and that his cost would be in the range of Moustakas 

[Lou]

I like weekend doc. 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, ettin said:

Doing nothing now sends a message that the Angels have little interest in retaining him and are willing to lose him to free agency.

What good are contracts if both parties can't respect the term limit without animosity? If Simmons feels slighted because the Angels choose to have him play out the year before making a decision on an extension then that's on him. 

[halomatt]

57 minutes ago, Lou said:

If Simmons leaves,  we'll de starving for a shortstop.

 

Isn’t it supposed to be “d’starving?”

 

[ettin]

9 minutes ago, Blarg said:

What good are contracts if both parties can't respect the term limit without animosity? If Simmons feels slighted because the Angels choose to have him play out the year before making a decision on an extension then that's on him. 

Animosity is an entirely different word Blarg. I used the words "sends a message" and you can choose to interpret that any way you like but don't make it more or less in terms of what I said. Never said Andrelton will feel slighted or angry or anything for that matter. It is just a conveyance of information that the Angels are probably not interested in retaining him longer than 2020, that is all.

[ettin]

43 minutes ago, RBM said:

No, it sends the message that he needs to have a productive league age 30 season to prove last year was not the new norm.

I just don't think it's smart to give a 3-4 year extension to a 30 year old SS coming off injuries. And I don't think he is expecting an extension.

We don't know how he will perform this year, let alone 4 or 5 years down the road. He is not even a top 10 shortstop any longer according to MLB.com.

Then you need to apply that same logic to every other player the Angels have signed or will sign to an extension. Particularly that last sentence which by the way wouldn't let you sign anyone at any time if you are a professional baseball league front office and trying to figure out the age-related decline of ANY player. MLB.com built their list off of last season, my God is it really this hard? They are reactionary, yearly lists that have no basis in previous history or projected performance.

[Blarg]

5 minutes ago, ettin said:

Animosity is an entirely different word Blarg. I used the words "sends a message" and you can choose to interpret that any way you like but don't make it more or less in terms of what I said. Never said Andrelton will feel slighted or angry or anything for that matter. It is just a conveyance of information that the Angels are probably not interested in retaining him longer than 2020, that is all.

It sends no such message. 

[ettin]

29 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

orioles royals giants aren't going to spend on simmons.

They will spend money if the price is right for them. Casually dismissing them is an incorrect assumption. How much they spend could be a different matter but it makes them no less a suitor than any other team.   

dogs, twins and white sox already have solid production from that position.  If the dogs were going to make a move at SS it would be for Lindor.

Dogs have a bad defensive SS in a defense-first position. That being said yes the upgrade is marginal at best probably. The Twins are set this year and perhaps beyond, so that was a bad team to throw in the hat. Tim Anderson 2019 version was good but previously he was not good at all, so next off-season the White Sox might be changing their mind. 

mets have Rosrio who is cheap. 

Rosario looks like a failed prospect to be honest. Simmons would be a huge upgrade, oh excuse me starving.... whatever.

Swanson could easily break out this year and even if he's just solid, I don't think the Braves give up on him.

Really? Swanson has sucked for 3 years now and yes they may not give up on him as a small market team but they are also highly familiar with Andrelton Simmons too, so to rule them out on a mid-level free agent would be foolish in my opinion.

Maybe the dbacks unless they put Marte there.  

the Reds would likely have interest.  

you and I have gone back and forth on this a bit.  I think you are over-estimating SS demand.  Perhaps but I do think you have been underestimating it a bit too, Simmons is a good player, teams make room for good players.

however, I do agree that the Halos should extend Simmons now and that his cost would be in the range of Moustakas Yes that is in the ballpark, although I think he gets slightly more in the $70M range give or take.

 

[TroutCron]

On 1/9/2020 at 2:53 PM, tdawg87 said:

The QO is intriguing. He may very well accept it. If he does, that gives an extra year for Wilson to develOhhh.

Wilson, who was traded to the Giants in the salary dump with Cozart? 

[tdawg87]

12 minutes ago, TroutCron said:

Wilson, who was traded to the Giants in the salary dump with Cozart? 

Yes

[Bronson]

This brings up a very interesting question now.

 

IF no baseball is played this year.... what do the Angels do with Simmons?

[Fish Oil]

His season with injuries and a weak bat would still be in play. Perhaps we can make a low ball offer to see if he bites?

[failos]

I feel like the Angels are well stocked with respect to infielders. I’d personally wait and see how well Simmons performs this season before extending him.

[Bronson]

1 hour ago, failos said:

I feel like the Angels are well stocked with respect to infielders. I’d personally wait and see how well Simmons performs this season before extending him.

The question was IF the season doesn’t happen.

[failos]

1 hour ago, Bronson said:

The question was IF the season doesn’t happen.

ok in that case, no.