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16 minutes ago, Second Base said:

This isn't politics. You don't go from liberal socialist to conservative capitalist at the snap of the fingers. 

You pick someone that is best suited for the job. Bill Stoneman was great with prospects and free agents. Dipoto's own former AGM Matt Klentak, also great with both. Same with Evans from SF before stepped down, same with Mozeliak in St. Louis, Preller in San Diego...

Again, there's more than two types of GM.

Good luck with that. Any new GM would be given that mandate: Win now. That means don’t worry about overpaying. Eppler’s 

problem is he’s been too conservative. He needed to be willing to overpay. He hasn’t done that. You seem to have this idea that if only Eppler were cleverer, he’d have kept all his prospects and gotten a substantially better rotation. Kluber cost Marsh, Keuchel isn’t good, and Ryu...I dunno, tbh. Too expensive for the health risk? I’ll give him until the end of the year to see how he does,  but this notion that he has to improve the team without trading anybody is childish. 

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If Noah Syndergaard is available he should be the top target. Last three full seasons with FIP of 2.29, 2.80, and 3.60. Getting him would be getting a true ace for this team.

I would propose a Brandon Marsh, Michael Hermosillo, Luis Rengifo, Jamie Barria, Jose Suarez for Syndergaard deal. That sounds like a lot, but the Mets are trying to win, and in all honesty Syndergaard most likely isn't available unless the Mets are blown away with an offer.

At this point I like the idea of trading for German Marquez from Colorado. Thrown over 170 innings the last two years with FIP of 3.40 and 4.06. He's 24 and could be a staple in the rotation for a long time.

That being said, the Rockies always need pitching, and it might take a lot to get them to part with a solid, cost-controlled starter. Who knows. I think this team needs to make more moves for contending to be a legitimate prospect. Let's see what Billy can dial up.

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51 minutes ago, UnrulyManBun27 said:

If Noah Syndergaard is available he should be the top target. Last three full seasons with FIP of 2.29, 2.80, and 3.60. Getting him would be getting a true ace for this team.

I would propose a Brandon Marsh, Michael Hermosillo, Luis Rengifo, Jamie Barria, Jose Suarez for Syndergaard deal. That sounds like a lot, but the Mets are trying to win, and in all honesty Syndergaard most likely isn't available unless the Mets are blown away with an offer.

At this point I like the idea of trading for German Marquez from Colorado. Thrown over 170 innings the last two years with FIP of 3.40 and 4.06. He's 24 and could be a staple in the rotation for a long time.

That being said, the Rockies always need pitching, and it might take a lot to get them to part with a solid, cost-controlled starter. Who knows. I think this team needs to make more moves for contending to be a legitimate prospect. Let's see what Billy can dial up.

are you willing to give up Adell?

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I'd take deGrom off the poll. The Mets will never trade him. Also, you should probably take Ray off the list too. Arizona appears to be going for it and I doubt they trade him before the 2020 season starts.

My vote is Syndergaard...I would love to add Thor to the Halos. Clevinger and Gray would be nice too but I'm betting they'll be more expensive in terms of trade pieces.

The other guys on that list don't interest me. Boyd is overrated and Price is too risky at his price tag.

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1 hour ago, UnrulyManBun27 said:

If Noah Syndergaard is available he should be the top target. Last three full seasons with FIP of 2.29, 2.80, and 3.60. Getting him would be getting a true ace for this team.

I would propose a Brandon Marsh, Michael Hermosillo, Luis Rengifo, Jamie Barria, Jose Suarez for Syndergaard deal. That sounds like a lot, but the Mets are trying to win, and in all honesty Syndergaard most likely isn't available unless the Mets are blown away with an offer.

I'm right there with you and if Thor can be had without giving up Adell, there's nothing to think about.

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14 minutes ago, Lou said:

are you willing to give up Adell?

And here is where things get serious...GM's get fired for trading sure thing prospects unless they absolutely win the trade (i.e., lift a trophy in late October/early November with a ring of 30 flags around the outer edge at varying heights from the base with the "tallest" one being that of their club). That's why they get payed the big bucks. If it comes to this, I'm glad Eppler'll be the one making the decision and not me.

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If we trade for a starter it needs to be for a legit #1 type, and that's gonna start with Adell, as Lou mentioned.  I tend to overvalue our prospects but I would give up Adell+ for him, but I don't know what that + would be.  

I don't think we're trading for a #1.  Most likely is we end up with Price, giving up a prized prospect or two and paying half his salary.  

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8 hours ago, Second Base said:

None. Teams know the Angels are desperate and out of alternatives. So if they want starting pitching, they're going to have to overpay, severely.

I'd rather Eppler stay put and take what's coming to him for his failures. He needs to be fired and the Angels need to keep their prospects and their money and try again next year, with a more competent GM.

This isn’t true Scotty.  If a team is looking to trade they’ll trade for the best package.  You aren’t prying away someone that isn’t available.  Plus it works both ways.  If a team is looking to trade a guy and keep asking for more then the Angels go on to the next team.  It’s not like a team says “oh the Rangers Have a good rotation we will only ask this from them”. 

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7 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

Eppler’s problem is he’s been too conservative. He needed to be willing to overpay.

That is Arte's decision. Even with the Trout extension Moreno gave Eppler a ceiling. There was an agreed upon ceiling for Cole at the reported amount Eppler offered and the Yankees exceeded that. 

Eppler had no problem extending Upton's contract, that was not an insignificant amount of money. Eppler made Trout the highest paid player in baseball. He bought up Rendon for $245 million, that is a top dollar bid. 

It's not about willingness to pay, it's paying for the value you get. Cole is no longer a value at his contract for the Angels. Like Rendon wouldn't have been a value at that salary to the A's. Every team has it's ceiling for talent.

But also don't forget that every player has a time stamp on them, an expiration date or a sell by date and Eppler has to stay on top of that. We have Soimmons on a team friendly contract for a four time Gold Glove winning shortstop. His value right now is greater than his salary but next year he is a free agent and the Angels will have to make a decision, will his value moving forward be in line with what his market value will dictate, or simply, can the Angels afford to keep him? If they do that, again, it cuts into the budget that has to cover parts and pieces still needed, like two pitchers when Bundy and Teheran's contracts expire. 

Yes, the Angels could have really used any one of the several arms on the market this season. Some went a lot quicker than expected and most went for way above their true market value but in no way could you say Epppler didn't go all in, he just had a short stack compared to the Yankees to bet with and a ceiling for lesser talent. 

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Other:  Marcus Stroman. 
I dont think the Mets are going to trade either of the big 2 with the extra money coming in and they still think they can win.  Stroman could be expendable to them at this point and would cost much less than either of the other 2. 

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16 minutes ago, floplag said:

Other:  Marcus Stroman. 
I dont think the Mets are going to trade either of the big 2 with the extra money coming in and they still think they can win.  Stroman could be expendable to them at this point and would cost much less than either of the other 2. 

Underrated option here. He keeps the ball on the ground, and Rendon-Simmons-Fletcher would be a  perfect fit for his style. 

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1 minute ago, AngelStew43 said:

I chose Syndergaard, mostly because of his age, and results.  Ace level stuff, and if he comes out here, I think there would be a better than average chance to lock him up long term.  

Syndergaard

Heaney

Bundy

Ohtani

Teheran

Canning

Pretty good if I do say so myself.

Question here becomes -- Are we willing to surrender Addell + Marsh (and more) to get this done? 

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6 minutes ago, Lou said:
 

Syndergaard wasn't very good last year.  In fact, he's gotten worse for 3 consecutive seasons.

I think this is overblown a bit.  For one, he's a ground ball pitcher playing in front of an awful defense in an awful park, so his performance has outpaced his production for a while. 

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If any of these others, I'd choose Gray, but he will likely cost Marsh and Rengifo, and I don't want to give that up. 

Here's a trade target that hasn't got much mention, Dinelson Lamet. Could be a great opportunity to buy low. 

Otherwise, if I'm Eppler, I'd see if the Padres would be interested in a Blockbuster that could help both teams. Something like Jordyn Adams, Luis Rengifo, Jahmai Jones, Tommy La Stella, and Jaime Barria for Luis Patino, Michael Baez and Austin Hedges.

The Padres get their starting 2B now (La Stella) and in the future(Rengifo), an upside utility player (Jones), an upside outfielder (Adams) and a back end starter (Barria) while still maintaining they're vast pitching depth (namely Gore and Morejon), while the Angels get the upside starter they need in Patino, a dynamic bullpen weapon in Baez and the best defensive catcher in my opinion, in Austin Hedges.

The Angels keep Marsh, it solves their pitching discrepancy long term and puts them in the same position to win short term. La Stella likely would've played more 1B than anything and instead, those AB's go toward further developing Thaiss. Patino will be up by mid season and would he there long term ace they're looking for. 

Not only that, it doesn't add anything to three Angels payroll. Meaning they could add a short term fix like Alex Wood until Lamet arrives and save that money they otherwise would've spent until next year, when they could acquire even more pitching.

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24 minutes ago, floplag said:

If im taking Myers i want more than Lamet in that deal.  and who are you giving them?  

Not much because we are taking on Myers contract. Something redundant perhaps.

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