LAT: Angels Engaging in Talks w/ Ryu and Keuchel

[Bronson]

Just get both of them and get this mess over with.

[halonatic13]

Is it against the law to be a little positive about these pitchers?

[Angel Oracle]

With pitching salaries out of hand, and pitchers' health being very iffy nowadays, it's becoming more understandable why Billy is seemingly hesitant to sign bigger money FA pitchers.

Which would we rather have?    Panic moves?   Or being hesitant?

We saw enough of the former (Wells, Hamilton, etc.).

Focus on drafting, and foreign signing, enough pitchers to develop.    Seems that 2020's 1st round pick needs to be a college pitcher (at least ten projected to go in the first round?), for the first time since Newcomb several years ago.   

Edited December 19, 2019 by Angel Oracle

[Lou]

36 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

Are there not any other baseball agents besides Scott Boras?

yes, they're called Angels. 

[Slegnaac]

55 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

Are there not any other baseball agents besides Scott Boras?

State Farm has a couple. 

[Angel Oracle]

18 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

With pitching salaries out of hand, and pitchers' health being very iffy nowadays, it's becoming more understandable why Billy is seemingly hesitant to sign bigger money FA pitchers.

Which would we rather have?    Panic moves?   Or being hesitant?

We saw enough of the former (Wells, Hamilton, etc.).

Focus on drafting, and foreign signing, enough pitchers to develop.    Seems that 2020's 1st round pick needs to be a college pitcher (at least ten projected to go in the first round?), for the first time since Newcomb several years ago.   

That said, Ryu might be the best gamble to take, if on a 3 year contract maybe with a team option 4th year.   

[yk9001]

you guys are insane.

Guys who win ERA titles the previous years don't sign contracts laden with incentives... or team options.   Especially Boras clients.

 

[Stradling]

Just now, yk9001 said:

you guys are insane.

Guys who win ERA titles the previous years don't sign contracts laden with incentives... or team options.   Especially Boras clients.

 

Well there is a reason he is still available and it has to do with his history of injury and that fact he isn’t in the greatest of shape.  I’d offer him a incentive laden deal that still pays him well, something like $17 million base salary and $500k for every start over 20 for the first two years, and if he makes 50 starts in the first two years then the last two years are guaranteed at $22 million a year.  If he doesn’t then it is the same as the first two years.  Something along those lines.  Where he still gets a really good contract but has a chance to get $22-23 million a year if healthy.  

[failos]

White Sox closing in on Gio

[Angelsjunky]

I forgot about how old Ryu is. He shouldn’t get more than three years, so I’m adjusting my prediction to 3/$66M.

[Lou]

good to see María was all over the Teheran signing

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

good to see María was all over the Teheran signing

It’s crazy how Eppler works because Maria and @Jeff Fletcher were both told that they weren’t interested in Teheran.  Smoke and mirrors.

[failos]

53 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

you guys are insane.

Guys who win ERA titles the previous years don't sign contracts laden with incentives... or team options.   Especially Boras clients.

 

no u.

What if everyone thinking about giving a big contract has the same concern?

[T.G.]

 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

 

Thats not what I'm hoping to hear...we need to make a run at Ryu or Keuchel...relying on the kid starters is asking too much. 

[Angelsjunky]

I’m not sure how much better Keuchel is than Teheran or Bundy, so I wouldn’t sign him for serious money.

Ryu is a different matter but bears more risk so I’d be hesitant to go more than 3/$54m, and I think he’ll get more than that.

[Pancake Bear]

10 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

Thats not what I'm hoping to hear...we need to make a run at Ryu or Keuchel...relying on the kid starters is asking too much. 

Did you misread it? They’re not ruling it out. 

They have five starters. Obviously they’re not going to say, “We’re still looking for one more.”

Also, what ‘kids’ are they relying on? Ohtani, Heaney, Teheran, Bundy? None of those are kids. Canning? What a bizarre take. 

[popo85]

Sign 1 and trade for Contreras, with Teheran now in the fold...

[Chuck]

33 minutes ago, True Grich said:

 

@Jeff Fletcher can you confirm this? Specifically that the Angels are still interested in signing one of Ryu or Keuchel after their signing of Teheran.

Thing is, you have to secure an innings guy because beyond Bundy (2 years) and Teheran (1 year) you don't have much in the future outside of Ohtani and our kids Canning/Sandoval/Suarez. 

I believe Heaney only has a couple more years too right?

I can see Keuchel being a guy that can be productive for quite a while since he doesn't rely on velo to get guys out.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

17 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Did you misread it? They’re not ruling it out. 

They have five starters. Obviously they’re not going to say, “We’re still looking for one more.”

Also, what ‘kids’ are they relying on? Ohtani, Heaney, Teheran, Bundy? None of those are kids. Canning? What a bizarre take. 

I didn’t misread anything. I just hope the mindset is we need another starter. Relying on Heaney and Ohtani to stay healthy, hell Canning to at this point with the elbow issues he had last year...Is setting us up for failure. And the tweet references Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning as the “kid” starters. Those are nice options to have as 6th starters, spot starters, and backups for   Any prolonged injuries. 

the mindset should be we need one more established starter; not the “haven’t ruled it out” which implies that there is a chance we might just settle for Bundy and Teheran. Adding a Keuchel or Ryu makes our rotation much more solid and gives us more flexibility with innings limits and injuries. 

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

I didn’t misread anything. I just hope the mindset is we need another starter. Relying on Heaney and Ohtani to stay healthy, hell Canning to at this point with the elbow issues he had last year...Is setting us up for failure. And the tweet references Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning as the “kid” starters. Those are nice options to have as 6th starters, spot starters, and backups for   Any prolonged injuries. 

the mindset should be we need one more established starter; not the “haven’t ruled it out” which implies that there is a chance we might just settle for Bundy and Teheran. Adding a Keuchel or Ryu makes our rotation much more solid and gives us more flexibility with innings limits and injuries. 

I'm pretty sure that is the actual mindset. But it's not what they're going to tell the media.

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Slegnaac said:

State Farm has a couple. 

[Pancake Bear]

17 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

I didn’t misread anything. I just hope the mindset is we need another starter. Relying on Heaney and Ohtani to stay healthy, hell Canning to at this point with the elbow issues he had last year...Is setting us up for failure. And the tweet references Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning as the “kid” starters. Those are nice options to have as 6th starters, spot starters, and backups for   Any prolonged injuries. 

the mindset should be we need one more established starter; not the “haven’t ruled it out” which implies that there is a chance we might just settle for Bundy and Teheran. Adding a Keuchel or Ryu makes our rotation much more solid and gives us more flexibility with innings limits and injuries. 

If you think they're going to say, "We need another starter", you're nuts, whether they think they do internally or not.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, Glen said:

Keuchel and Ryu are the last two women left at the bar at closing time. We have our beer goggles on but we know it.

And in both scenarios, we likely seal the deal at a del taco in the late hours.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

It’s crazy how Eppler works because Maria and @Jeff Fletcher were both told that they weren’t interested in Teheran.  Smoke and mirrors.

Well the person who told me was one of Eppler’s underlings, and not one who works in Anaheim. It’s possible, as I pointed out in my original comment, that he wasn’t 100 percent in the loop. With sources like that I am much more comfortable using them to confirm things that are happening rather than things that aren’t happening. 
 

It’s also possible the whole thing came together in the last 4 days, since I heard that.