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It's possible the Angels pitching situation isn't as dire as we make it to be...


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4 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

this is true.  One true pitcher drafted in rounds 1 or 2.  No high end international pitching prospects sans Ohtani who is obviously a unique opportunity.  

btw, unless you have the first pick in the draft, every player falls into your lap.  

and can you start spelling Callaway right?  

I also agree with your original premise that the in house options aren't the catastrophe people think.  It would result in a below avg. rotation but not the worst in baseball like 2019. 

Will do. But fair warning, it took me like two years to spell Jepsen right.

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20 minutes ago, True Grich said:

It's December 15.

But that should have nothing to do with it, the pitching market is drying up. Once Keuchel and Ryu are off the board, the FA well is dry unless you're hoping to find a needle in a haystack. And the trade market is already selling high, its going to get worse once the FA market is dry. And then what? We're sitting here in February with our dicks in our hands and terrible SP. 

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2 minutes ago, Lou said:

do you consider the Kluber trade as selling high?

Not for Texas, but their asking price of us was high..they wanted Marsh and another top 10 prospect. Its been reported that they HIGHLY valued the RP they got from the Rangers and thats why they accepted that deal. They view him as a future shut down closer.  And from Eppler's mouth himself on Saturday, the market is high. 

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Why can't Eppler package a bunch of position players not named Adell for a young SP?  Then sign Dallas or Ryu or both? I mean, if Adell is the greatest thing ever sure fire bona fide guaranteed to be amazing, we don't need Marsh and all the others. Get some GOOD FREAKING pitchers to go along with the Rendon signing and we can actually contend in the division.

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2 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Why? We have Trout the next 12 years. Adell takes over right. Upton is in left for another 3 or 4 years. We can replace Upton then. We need a young, good SP right now. Package Marsh and get that stud SP now.

I sort of agree with this. We have Trout and Adell for years to come. I like Marsh and think he's going to be legit, but a 3rd capable OF'er seems to be easier to find than a top rotation player. I don't expect Upton to be in the OF for the entirety of his contract, but I'd rather patch in an OF'er and have a young cost controlled #1 type pitcher. Now I wouldn't go and give Marsh away, but if the right deal for the right P came along, I think he's expendable and I don't think we "need" him. 

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17 minutes ago, Second Base said:

It's going to be difficult to keep both Marsh and Adams. But along with Adell, you've got three future star outfielders. I wouldn't trade any of them, unless you're getting a future or current star in return, straight up.

I think the prospect for prospect idea could work. Miami has quite a bit of starting pitching depth. Sanchez for Marsh and more is about the only trade I would advocate that included Marsh. 

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Upton has 3 more years with us. He is only 32. Next season, he will hit his 300th home run.

Am I missing something? Is Marsh supposed to play in Salt Lake for three more years before he gets called up? Is that the plan?

Why exactly can't we trade Marsh for starting pitching, as in the Kluber deal that we just passed up?

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I agree that our SP situation probably isn't as bad as it appears.  Looking at the options remaining:

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=0

If we sign either Ryu or Keuchel (projected to have an fWAR of 2.9 and 2.7, respectively), that'll be a big boost.  Beyond one of them, if we don't pursue an option via trade, we can even gamble on someone like Alex Wood or Walker on a one-year deal.  Looking at SP fWAR projections, that'd actually put us roughly in the middle of the pack.  

Ryu, Ohtani, Heaney, Bundy, Canning, Wood.   Not the best rotation, but should be average, and we'll have solid depth backing them up.  We'll have to rely on our offense and bullpen to lead the team, but I think we're positioned to do that.

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1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Keuchel is a must. Ryu is a luxury. Adding Teheran would be nice in addition to Keuchel. 

Adding Keuchel and Ryu would be amazing. Like Rendon amazing.

Ryu had the lowest era in baseball ⚾️ and was healthy all season. Keuchel is a innings eater and a ground ball specialist ... good call imo. We could do a lot worst. 

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I disagree. As currently constructed, the Angels staff is a total disaster. You’ve got injury prone Ohtani as your ace. And Canning as your number 2. Then you’ve got a mostly mediocre Heaney as your 3. Bundy is average at best and probably below avg

Thats fucking awful.

the acquisition of 2 starters is a must, just to make the pitching staff respectable even

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27 minutes ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

Upton has 3 more years with us. He is only 32. Next season, he will hit his 300th home run.

Am I missing something? Is Marsh supposed to play in Salt Lake for three more years before he gets called up? Is that the plan?

Why exactly can't we trade Marsh for starting pitching, as in the Kluber deal that we just passed up?

I don’t think the Angels are against trading Marsh. I think they would trade him for someone better or more controllable. Kluber is going to be 34, and there are questions about him. Also, they may have traded him if it wasn’t WITH another top 10 prospect. Maybe they’d have done Marsh and a 15-25 prospect, for example. 
 

I do think it’s pretty clear that Marsh is their best bullet they can afford to fire, so they want to make it count. 

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5 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t think the Angels are against trading Marsh. I think they would trade him for someone better or more controllable. Kluber is going to be 34, and there are questions about him. Also, they may have traded him if it wasn’t WITH another top 10 prospect. Maybe they’d have done Marsh and a 15-25 prospect, for example. 
 

I do think it’s pretty clear that Marsh is their best bullet they can afford to fire, so they want to make it count. 

@Jeff Fletcher is it likely the Angels could be working on a trade package for someone whose name isn't really out there?

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26 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I don’t think the Angels are against trading Marsh. I think they would trade him for someone better or more controllable. Kluber is going to be 34, and there are questions about him. Also, they may have traded him if it wasn’t WITH another top 10 prospect. Maybe they’d have done Marsh and a 15-25 prospect, for example. 
 

I do think it’s pretty clear that Marsh is their best bullet they can afford to fire, so they want to make it count. 

I want him to be traded for a young SP not a 33 year old. Angels have a depth of OF prospects and need pitching. Seems like a win win.

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Cleveland was probably our best chance to get a good starter without giving up Marsh.  They're still trying to win and needed a major league ready 2bman.  Which is where we've got depth.  

But here's the thing.  When you have Brandon Marsh, pretty much every team with an available arm is gonna want him.  

we need to find a team that matches up with wanting Rengifo.  

like the Nats for Joe Ross or Eric Fedde
the Reds maybe for a Mahle or Sims
the Pirates for Musgrove

I think the Rockies will want Marsh in a trade for Gray.  
We could probably get Urena or Archer for cheaper than Rengifo.  

I would be content with Ryu and Walker or even Keuchel and Walker.  
 

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