How do YOU value these prospects and young players

[Stradling]

Granted I don't know our farm nearly as well as others I figured I would start a thread and see how everyone values them in some sort of ranking.  I know some of us value players more than others, so it would be cool to see where everyone is at.  I will include a couple of guys that have graduated because they have been discussed in trades.  Here is the list:  Fletcher, Rengifo, Thaiss, Sandoval, Suarez, Canning, Adell, Marsh, Adams, Deveaux, Jackson.

I think I would go with this:

Adell

Marsh

Canning

Adams

Fletcher

Rengifo

Sandoval

Thaiss

Jackson

Suarez

Deveaux

Edited December 13, 2019 by Stradling

[Second Base]

Scotty: Every single one of them is untouchable darn it. Until they get promoted, then I don't care about them anymore. 

[Dick B Back]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Granted I don't know our farm nearly as well as others I figured I would start a thread and see how everyone values them in some sort of ranking.  I know some of us value players more than others, so it would be cool to see where everyone is at.  I will include a couple of guys that have graduated because they have been discussed in trades.  Here is the list:  Fletcher, Rengifo, Thaiss, Sandoval, Suarez, Canning, Adell, Marsh, Adams, Deveaux, Jackson.

I think I would go with this:

Adell

Marsh

Canning

Adams

Fletcher

Rengifo

Sandoval

Thaiss

Jackson

Suarez

Deveaux

 

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I wouldn’t consider Fletcher a prospect... 880 MLB ABs.

The rest fine to me.

(I liked using Fletcher and in a post).

[Stradling]

Just now, Dick B Back said:

I wouldn’t consider Fletcher a prospect... 880 MLB ABs.

The rest fine to me.

(I liked using Fletcher and in a post).

yea, I know, that is why I added the sentence about some have graduated.  I'll change the wording.  

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Scotty: Every single one of them is untouchable darn it. Until they get promoted, then I don't care about them anymore. 

yes.  

[tdawg87]

Adell, Marsh and Canning should be kept at all costs. 

Fletcher is now expendable but I feel he should only be traded if we're getting a legit #1 with at least 3 years of control. 

Adams is tradable but only for a legit piece.

Sandoval is our best pitching prospect so he should also only be let go for the right piece.

Everyone else is on the table without question.

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Adell, Marsh and Canning should be kept at all costs. 

Fletcher is now expendable but I feel he should only be traded if we're getting a legit #1 with at least 3 years of control. 

Adams is tradable but only for a legit piece.

Sandoval is our best pitching prospect so he should also only be let go for the right piece.

Everyone else is on the table without question.

I agree with all of this. 

I will add that I'd like to hang on to Matt Thaiss (gradulated) and Jeremiah Jackson.

[Second Base]

28 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Granted I don't know our farm nearly as well as others I figured I would start a thread and see how everyone values them in some sort of ranking.  I know some of us value players more than others, so it would be cool to see where everyone is at.  I will include a couple of guys that have graduated because they have been discussed in trades.  Here is the list:  Fletcher, Rengifo, Thaiss, Sandoval, Suarez, Canning, Adell, Marsh, Adams, Deveaux, Jackson.

I think I would go with this:

Adell - 

Marsh

Canning

Adams

Fletcher

Rengifo

Sandoval

Thaiss

Jackson

Suarez

Deveaux

Adell - Not going to trade him. All Star starting OF in 2-3 years

Canning - Not going to trade him, #2-3 starter in 2 years.

Marsh - Not going to trade him. A star in 2-3 years.

Fletcher - Bird in the hand worth two in the bush. 

Adams - Willing to trade him, but just wait until his value skyrockets, which should be in 3, 2, 1...

Sandoval - Extremely hesitant to trade him. #3-4 starter in two years.

Thaiss - Also extremely hesitant to trade. They don't need him at 3B anymore, but I still think he's going to hit 20-30 HR's and get on base 35% of the time. 

Rengifo - He's going to be a good starting 2B in a couple years, but gets squeezed OUT due to depth.

Suarez - I want to see what happens when Calloway works with him. Former top 100 prospect. What happens if he moves to RP?

Jackson - HR's are fun, but gotta make contact. Not convenient he will even got .230 yet.

Deveaux - trade him.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Second Base

[Angel Oracle]

Adell, Marsh, Canning, Adams, Fletcher, Sandoval, Rengifo, Jackson, Thaiss, Suarez, Deveaux

 

[Justin]

Canning is the most valuable to me. I still think he is going to be a great pitcher and a great pitcher under club control for another five years is priceless to the organization right now. 

Adell and Marsh project to be really good, possibly great, but if the Angels got an overwhelming (pitching) offer for either, I would be fine with a trade. 

I saw Jackson in person multiple times over the summer and while he looked athletic, it was readily apparent he is years away from being an MLB player. (However, I saw Thaiss in person several times two years ago at IE, and did not think he would even make it to MLB. So sometimes I am very wrong about prospects.) 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Adell, Marsh and Canning should be kept at all costs. 

Fletcher is now expendable but I feel he should only be traded if we're getting a legit #1 with at least 3 years of control. 

Adams is tradable but only for a legit piece.

Sandoval is our best pitching prospect so he should also only be let go for the right piece.

Everyone else is on the table without question.

Again pretty much dead one the only thing i would say different is that no one is 100% untouchable, but some are close to it and the list of guys i would trade them for is extremely exclusive. 

[Docwaukee]

most valuable to the franchise over the next 5 years or so: (beyond Trout, Rendon and Ohtani of course)

Adell
Canning
Marsh
Fletch
Sandoval
Buttrey
Rengifo
Adams
Thaiss
Suarez


 

[Stax]

Jackson looks impressive with all the home runs, but I do not think he is going to hit much better than .250. Trade him if you can something of value.

[GrittyVeterans]

I expect at least 3 or 4 of the listed players to not be  with the Angels organization when Spring Training starts

[Dtwncbad]

No trade:  Adell and Canning

That leaves lots of bodies to use in trades.  To get the very best pitcher or pitchers possible you have to be willing to give up real value.

The goal is premium pitching.  If you carve out too many “no trade” guys, you just don’t realistically have the right trade pieces to get the right pitchers

Do the Angels want to trade for two #3 starters and hold on to a few more prospects not named Adell and Canning?  Or do they want to land some really good pitchers?

[wopphil]

3 hours ago, RBM said:

No Trade:  Canning, Fletcher, Adell, Marsh

Trade Cautiously:  Rengifo, Sandoval, Adams, Jackson

Trade Willingly:  Thaiss, Suarez, Ward, everyone else.

Pretty much my opinion exactly. Though I wouldn't consider Fletcher untouchable (but the price would be high).

[Dtwncbad]

3 hours ago, RBM said:

No Trade:  Canning, Fletcher, Adell, Marsh

Trade Cautiously:  Rengifo, Sandoval, Adams, Jackson

Trade Willingly:  Thaiss, Suarez, Ward, everyone else.

Not trying to pick at you I promise, but what kind of pitcher do you really think the angels are going to land trading the likes of what is in your “trade willingly” category?

Maybe a guy with #3 upside?  Maybe?

That just doesn’t deliver what the team needs.

If you want an ace type or someone you can feel comfortable calling your #1 or #2, you have to trade some high quality prospects.  You hope you can hold on to your top couple maybe and make a deal with a couple of others.

Kluber has two years of control.  He is worth a package that includes one name from your no trade group.  I would hope that was Fletcher or Marsh.  Then maybe you can throw in disposable bodies.

Or you have to give up multiple guys from your trade cautiously category.

I dig many of these prospects but outside of Adell and Canning, I am forcing myself to acknowledge that I WANT there to be deal that costs something significant because I want a great pitcher, not some guy with #3 upside.

[ksangel]

I'll look at this through possible 2022 starting lineup.

2B Fletcher

CF Trout

DH  Ohtani/Upton

3B Rendon

RF Adell

1B Thaiss

LF Marsh

SS Simba

C ???

SP Ohtani, Canning, Sandoval, CRod, Ryu and Aaron Hernandez

I'd trade any of the others

 

 

 

[beatlesrule]

No one should be untouchable with the right return.

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Not trying to pick at you I promise, but what kind of pitcher do you really think the angels are going to land trading the likes of what is in your “trade willingly” category?

Maybe a guy with #3 upside?  Maybe?

That just doesn’t deliver what the team needs.

If you want an ace type or someone you can feel comfortable calling your #1 or #2, you have to trade some high quality prospects.  You hope you can hold on to your top couple maybe and make a deal with a couple of others.

Kluber has two years of control.  He is worth a package that includes one name from your no trade group.  I would hope that was Fletcher or Marsh. 

[ksangel]

12 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Not trying to pick at you I promise, but what kind of pitcher do you really think the angels are going to land trading the likes of what is in your “trade willingly” category?

Maybe a guy with #3 upside?  Maybe?

That just doesn’t deliver what the team needs.

If you want an ace type or someone you can feel comfortable calling your #1 or #2, you have to trade some high quality prospects.  You hope you can hold on to your top couple maybe and make a deal with a couple of others.

Kluber has two years of control.  He is worth a package that includes one name from your no trade group.  I would hope that was Fletcher or Marsh.  Then maybe you can throw in disposable bodies.

Or you have to give up multiple guys from your trade cautiously category.

I dig many of these prospects but outside of Adell and Canning, I am forcing myself to acknowledge that I WANT there to be deal that costs something significant because I want a great pitcher, not some guy with #3 upside.

Fletcher mentioned in Kluber thread that Indians guy he knows said they were not looking for high end prospects in a trade but a salary dump since they think they have enough pitching.

[Pancake Bear]

20 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Not trying to pick at you I promise, but what kind of pitcher do you really think the angels are going to land trading the likes of what is in your “trade willingly” category?

Maybe a guy with #3 upside?  Maybe?

That just doesn’t deliver what the team needs.

If you want an ace type or someone you can feel comfortable calling your #1 or #2, you have to trade some high quality prospects.  You hope you can hold on to your top couple maybe and make a deal with a couple of others.

Kluber has two years of control.  He is worth a package that includes one name from your no trade group.  I would hope that was Fletcher or Marsh.  Then maybe you can throw in disposable bodies.

Or you have to give up multiple guys from your trade cautiously category.

I dig many of these prospects but outside of Adell and Canning, I am forcing myself to acknowledge that I WANT there to be deal that costs something significant because I want a great pitcher, not some guy with #3 upside.

Don’t think so. Kluber is older than any other major option. He just missed most of a season with two injuries including a broken forearm. And he isn’t cheap. He’s roughly market value considering everything. Maybe slightly under. 

[ettin]

5 hours ago, Stradling said:

Granted I don't know our farm nearly as well as others I figured I would start a thread and see how everyone values them in some sort of ranking.  I know some of us value players more than others, so it would be cool to see where everyone is at.  I will include a couple of guys that have graduated because they have been discussed in trades.  Here is the list:  Fletcher, Rengifo, Thaiss, Sandoval, Suarez, Canning, Adell, Marsh, Adams, Deveaux, Jackson.

I think I would go with this:

Adell

Marsh

Canning

Adams

Fletcher

Rengifo

Sandoval

Thaiss

Jackson

Suarez

Deveaux

Pretty close. I might move both lefties up one spot each ( Sandoval and Suarez). LHP is valuable as is pitching in general.

[ettin]

The Indians are almost certainly targeting a 2B and the Angels are most likely offering Rengifo as Fletcher is the superior defender.

Edited December 14, 2019 by ettin

[ten ocho recon scout]

14 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

Not trying to pick at you I promise, but what kind of pitcher do you really think the angels are going to land trading the likes of what is in your “trade willingly” category?

Maybe a guy with #3 upside?  Maybe?

That just doesn’t deliver what the team needs.

If you want an ace type or someone you can feel comfortable calling your #1 or #2, you have to trade some high quality prospects.  You hope you can hold on to your top couple maybe and make a deal with a couple of others.

Kluber has two years of control.  He is worth a package that includes one name from your no trade group.  I would hope that was Fletcher or Marsh.  Then maybe you can throw in disposable bodies.

Or you have to give up multiple guys from your trade cautiously category.

I dig many of these prospects but outside of Adell and Canning, I am forcing myself to acknowledge that I WANT there to be deal that costs something significant because I want a great pitcher, not some guy with #3 upside.

I agree with this.

The FA crop at this point is meh. But id rather spend money on average but past prime like a bumgarner or whoever, than to trade what little we have for nothing special.

Im fine moving a few guys for a 3. A solid 3. If the guys we trade arent crucial. If we include marsh, or fletcher etc, it better be for something good. Real good.

If real good for that price isnt there, overspend on whatevers FAs, and wait until a better deal comes along at the deadline, next winter, etc.

I mentioned in another thread. And this will immediately invite ridicule from some on here. But trout is here for.... ever. Ohtani is still here for a bit. Now rendon. Adell is almost here....

..... we dont need to fix it all this year. Landing cole would have changed that. But id rather not "force" a "decent"  move if we can position ourselves for a good one down the road.