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Imagining a Cole-less offseason

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2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I'd pivot to Rendon before going after Stras, Ryu or Bum.  

Then I'd grab Pineda and Roark or Porcello and Chirinos or Castro.  

teams win in the regular season all the time with mediocre starting pitching, a good offense and a good bullpen.  

Yes they do.  I am only speaking for my own opinion, but then that same team goes into the playoffs and the deck is stacked against them if they face a team with a legit ace and a high end #2.

It is really, really easy for me to pick between being the team with the mediocre starting staff and the team with the top heavy rotation when it comes to playoff baseball where aces sometimes get three starts in 7 game series.

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I think bottom line is that if the Angels don’t get Cole or Strasburg the short term outlook is pretty bleak.  We can pretend about this and that.  But there’s not a lot clear pathways without a legitimately reliable strong rotation.  We need those guys.  We’re just wishing on a star or whatever hoping for the best with Ohtani and Canning otherwise. 

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There’s an absolutely absurd number of 2B/3B/1B types available via free agency who have varying levels of upside and skillsets. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Angels eventually signed one to see if they get lucky. 

Castellanos could be a value buy and be used in a 1B/RF/LF/DH role for ‘20. While his defense may suck, it may be palatable for a year and he does ‘play’ at several positions where we could benefit from his presence as depth. He’s at an age where his best days may still be ahead of him and there’s a chance he costs the same as Dallas Keuchel.  

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I think a lot of people are of a very narrow view of things and are perhaps a bit too rigid in how they apply it.
You can win in this game without an ace, half the playoff teams last year didnt have what i would call an "ace" although a couple had ace like seasons maybe. 
 

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3 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Castellanos sucks defensively at multiple positions.  I still can’t tell if that is more or less valuable than just sucking at one position. 

Ideally, he moves into a full time 1B/DH role, but for a year, he could serve as some back-up. We have a good team defensively overall. Easy to move him to 1B late in game, get Pujols some extra rest, and put Hermosillo in RF. 

If he keeps improving offensively, you could get a .900+ OPS guy at 1B/DH in his prime years for $15m AAV. Pretty solid and maybe worth tolerating for a year of poor defense at multiple positions.

Last four years he’s averaging 41 doubles, 6 triples, 27 HR, and a .286/.336/.504/.840 OPS, and he’s only 28 next year. Hasn’t hit below .272 in that time which is fairly well above-average in this day and age. Absolutely mashed for the Cubs last summer. It’d essentially mean less of a reliance on Pujols too, more than anything.

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2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Ideally, he moves into a full time 1B/DH role, but for a year, he could serve as some back-up. We have a good team defensively overall. Easy to move him to 1B late in game, get Pujols some extra rest, and put Hermosillo in RF. 

If he keeps improving offensively, you could get a .900+ OPS guy at 1B/DH in his prime years for $15m AAV. Pretty solid and maybe worth tolerating for a year of poor defense at multiple positions.

Can we stop with the "he moves to full time 1B/DH posts, its not going to happen as long as Pujols is on the roster.  Just stop it please your kidding yourselves. 

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2 minutes ago, floplag said:

Can we stop with the "he moves to full time 1B/DH posts, its not going to happen as long as Pujols is on the roster.  Just stop it please your kidding yourselves. 

Why? 2021 will be Pujols’ last year. Entirely plausible that with a 26th roster spot and a .900 OPS 1B, Bert is relegated to PH/part-time duties. That could happen this year.

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1 minute ago, totdprods said:

Why? 2021 will be Pujols’ last year. Entirely plausible that with a 26th roster spot and a .900 OPS 1B, Bert is relegated to PH/part-time duties. That could happen this year.

Next year, sure, this year, no, unless hes hurt or otherwise unavailable or grossly under performs. 

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13 minutes ago, floplag said:

I think a lot of people are of a very narrow view of things and are perhaps a bit too rigid in how they apply it.
You can win in this game without an ace, half the playoff teams last year didnt have what i would call an "ace" although a couple had ace like seasons maybe. 
 

And the two teams in the World Series had aces.  Actually you could say there were 5 aces in the World Series between the two teams.
My goal is not to be a playoff team.  I am sorry but I am past that.  I want the front office to build a team ready to beat other playoff teams, the ones with marginal pitching that don’t end up in the World Series.

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6 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

And the two teams in the World Series had aces.  Actually you could say there were 5 aces in the World Series between the two teams.
My goal is not to be a playoff team.  I am sorry but I am past that.  I want the front office to build a team ready to beat other playoff teams, the ones with marginal pitching that don’t end up in the World Series.

Correct, see post about the scores in those games.  None of them were pitching duels or dominated by them. 
I agree im past that, i want another title for this club, but there is more than one way to do that.

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The idea of a 40 year-old Pujols becoming part-time is not far fetched, with the advent of a 26th roster spot.   As decent as he was in 2019...again, he turns 40 in 2020 and the WAR is negligible.

How many 40 year-olds in the past, with his physical girth, have started at least 100 games in the field?

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1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

The idea of a 40 year-old Pujols becoming part-time is not far fetched, with the advent of a 26th roster spot.   As decent as he was in 2019...again, he turns 40 in 2020 and the WAR is negligible.

How many 40 year-olds in the past, with his physical girth, have started at least 100 games in the field?

as said if he isnt performing or gets hurt, of course it will, otherwise, nope

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Just now, Angel Oracle said:

The idea of a 40 year-old Pujols becoming part-time is not far fetched, with the advent of a 26th roster spot.   As decent as he was in 2019...again, he turns 40 in 2020 and the WAR is negligible.

How many 40 year-olds in the past, with his physical girth, have started at least 100 games in the field?

Yup. They’ve never had anyone on roster outperform him to bump him, and because they were already paying him $24m annually, it was kinda dumb to sign another long-term FA 1B and spend more money there.

That argument could be used against signing Castellanos, but he can also play RF/LF/DH this year until Adell truly arrives. Every year that Pujols’ contract draws closer to the end, signing a new 1B becomes more feasible. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Ohtani gets 90 DH starts, Pujols gets 50 DH starts and 40 1B starts, and Castellanos could then get 20 DH starts and 120 1B starts (pretty much fulltime).

Sign Cole, sign Castro for $5m, sign Castellanos for $15m. If still worried about rotation, try and swing a trade for Robbie Ray, Matt Boyd, or Jose Quintana. Could use Thaiss or even Goodwin as trade pieces with Castellanos on board. Or could just sign someone like Lindblom or Roark if prefer keeping everyone. 

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4 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Sign Cole, sign Castro for $5m, sign Castellanos for $15m. If still worried about rotation, try and swing a trade for Robbie Ray, Matt Boyd, or Jose Quintana. Could use Thaiss or even Goodwin as trade pieces with Castellanos on board. Or could just sign someone like Lindblom or Roark if prefer keeping everyone. 

Cole, Ohtani, Bundy, Heaney, Canning, and Sandoval wouldn't be a bad rotation, pending being healthy.     They now have a real pitching coach (not a computer guy) to mentor them. 

This lineup by mid-2020 wouldn't be too bad either.

LaStella, Trout, Castellanos, Ohtani/Pujols, Upton, Adell, Simba, catcher's spot, Fletcher

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43 minutes ago, floplag said:

I think a lot of people are of a very narrow view of things and are perhaps a bit too rigid in how they apply it.
You can win in this game without an ace, half the playoff teams last year didnt have what i would call an "ace" although a couple had ace like seasons maybe. 
 

Astros had 3 aces. Nationals had two. It could be easily argued dodgers had 3. Twins had 1. Rays had 1, borderline 2. 

Maybe I'm too old school but I'm not ok with Pena starting a playoff game.

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Just now, Erstad Grit said:

Astros had 3 aces. Nationals had two. It could be easily argued dodgers had 3. Twins had 1. Rays had 1, borderline 2. 

Maybe I'm too old school but I'm not ok with Pena starting a playoff game.

True, but again see the game scores... there were no 2-1 duels. 

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9 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Cole, Ohtani, Bundy, Heaney, Canning, and Sandoval wouldn't be a bad rotation, pending being healthy.     They now have a real pitching coach (not a computer guy) to mentor them. 

This lineup by mid-2020 wouldn't be too bad either.

LaStella, Trout, Castellanos, Ohtani/Pujols, Upton, Adell, Simba, catcher's spot, Fletcher

The rotation depth still has me a little concerned - I have a lot more faith in the youngsters than most here, but if Bundy IS the second acquired behind a presumptive Cole, then I’d like to see them at least start the year or ST with a flier like Smyly, Nova, Moore, Hellickson, if not someone better like Roark, Lindblom, Hill, etc.

Not hard to DFA or trade a vet flier SP type in May if they blow and a kid is ready.

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