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5 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

No one knows how much Arte is willing to raise the payroll. If Eppler signs Castellanos I’m going to view it as a good sign for the budget. 
 

Castellano can hit and get on base. I’m not going to complain about signing someone who can do those things. 
 

We don’t exactly have a 1B or a RF. I’ve seen enough of Thaiss and well Pujols is 64 years old. 

I mean, kind of, I guess?  He's never had more than 50 BBs in a season and only once had an OBP over .337.   His career OBP is .326.  Last year, the league average OBP in the AL was .323.

 

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I mean, he wouldn't be a bad 1B right?

Let's face it. Pujols playing time is going to dwindle quite a bit over the next two seasons and if Castellanos can play 1B on days Ohtani DH's, then he can DH and Pujols play 1B on the three days in a row that Ohtani will get ready to pitch, pitch and then his day off after pitching. That's a lot of playing time, plus he can play in RF once in a while when we face a lefty to spell Brian Goodwin.

58 doubles, 27 HR and .525 slugging .pct is legit. He also usually hits around the .290 mark as well, so he puts the ball in play and hits the ball hella hard. 

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I wonder if the rumor has some merit to it since Maddon loved what he saw from Castellanos while he was with the Cubs down the stretch after they acquired him at the deadline. 

I mean, who gets motivated playing with the Tigers these days and he had absolutely no protection in the lineup in Detroit. Check out his second half stats with the Cubs vs. those with the Tigers.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I wonder if the rumor has some merit to it since Maddon loved what he saw from Castellanos while he was with the Cubs down the stretch after they acquired him at the deadline. 

I mean, who gets motivated playing with the Tigers these days and he had absolutely no protection in the lineup in Detroit. Check out his second half stats with the Cubs vs. those with the Tigers.

 

 

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That very well could be. He did have a nice run with the Cubs to finish the season - .321/.356/.646/1.002 in 51 games.

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16 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

what if,  and stay with me on this, but what if the reason they're targeting Castellanos is because they're going to buy out Albert and move on.  

 

Anything is possible ... except that

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9 hours ago, Sean-Regan said:

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If this guy isn’t talking out of his hat, I don’t know what to make of this. Apparently he can play 3B? Is he a disaster there? I just don’t get this interest at all. 

Why?  Goodwin, Hermosillo,  Adell, and Marsh

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1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Most likely 1B, just some RF until Adell is promoted. He can also play 3B if needed in a pinch. 

they could put him at 3b but he can't play there.  Imagine Trumbo with hands that aren't as good and less range.  

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Yeah, that’s the issue @Dochalo. Where can he play In the field? The dude rakes but his K/BB ratio is really bad so he’s not a good fit for a team looking for a patient three outcome hitter. I think he needs to find a team where he can DH and play RF. Maybe 1B also but he’s only played 4 games there so far in his MLB career.

I don’t think that team is us. I could see him signing with the White Sox or if he goes NL then Cincinnati replacing Puig would be a good fit. 

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5 hours ago, Dochalo said:

what if,  and stay with me on this, but what if the reason they're targeting Castellanos is because they're going to buy out Albert and move on.  

 

 

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13 hours ago, ukyah said:

if it's a given that the angels are going to spend heavily on FA this winter

That’s the point I’m trying to raise though too...what if it’s not a given? Obviously they’re going to have to spend some, let’s say Cole, and they might have a lot to work with, rounding out lesser needs, let’s presume one-year vet SP, a bench bat, a cheap catcher, but part of the solution could just as easily be trading for a piece or two that’s affordable, such as a good, young arm, someone able to contribute in ‘20 (unlike Marsh) instead of spending money on that mid-tier pitching.

A scenario - we all know Cole is almost undoubtedly the top target, and the Angels still need another arm following. 
What's next? Say they've set aside something like Nate Eovaldi money for their second arm - 4/$68m - and identified Zack Wheeler, Madison Bumgarner, and Jake Odorizzi as the three guys they really like for that second arm. 
Problem is, Wheeler is now looking like a really hot commodity, and 4/$68m is looking increasingly unlikely, and Eppler isn't comfortable going much more than that. 
Bumgarner is emerging as a Braves priority - they have need, they have money, Bumgarner likes to hit, Bumgarner grew up a Braves fan - leading Eppler to think that they might not be favorites there. 
Odorizzi wound up receiving a QO, and while they likely weren't planning on spending something like 4/$68m on him, the fact that he has draft pick compensation on him now makes his far less desirable. 

Meanwhile, Castellanos' contract projections have him landing around...4/$68m.
Brandon Marsh had a red-hot fall that boosted his value. Maybe now teams are a lot more interested in him being the centerpiece in a deal for a good, young, controllable arm.
Rosters expand to 26, Pujols' new role can be DH/PH/1B - it's always been stated he'd sit more if there was a better bat ahead of him, and well, Castellanos would be that. 

It's simply trading places. Instead of the Angels sinking ~$70m into an arm, they sink it into a bat. 
Instead of getting 6 years of cost-controlled Marsh, they get an affordable impact arm. 

Keep in mind, Marsh likely isn't getting everyday playing time until the 2022 season at the earliest.
Those club-controlled value years are really helpful in 2022, 2023, 2024, yes, but that same trade value could help the 2020 payroll right now, which is a more pressing need as it's already tight and expecting to be the highest ever. 

Remember too, the Angels could have a really, really good, cheap, cost-controlled rotation in a couple seasons. It could be Cole, Ohtani, Canning, Sandoval, Suarez, Soriano, Yan. 
Fletcher, Thaiss, Rengifo could be a bulk of a cheap, everyday IF. The need to have a super cheap OF isn't as great, especially with more help scheduled to also land around the time Upton is done.
Adams could breakout next year and be close to ready around the same time Marsh would be moving into an everyday role. Knowles and Deveaux are further off, but a breakout season from either of them could move them up the charts quickly, especially as both hit Rule 5 eligibility before Adams, and only one year after Marsh.
 

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19 minutes ago, wopphil said:

Admit it: we all cringed at seeing the thread title, and a day later we are all coming around to this possibility and thinking of the potential sick lineups.

I'm not going to lie. While sick lineups will always be dear to my heart, dreaming of sick rotations is now my newfound love interest. 

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He made $9.9 million last year.  He's looking for an increase.

He hasn't played 3B since 2017 and he's never played 1B.

He's basically one dimensional as a defensive player.  AND he's going to cost a fair amount.

Mike Trout isn't getting any younger.  This team needs pitching now and they don't need another OF right now that everyone "hopes" can play 3B and 1B as well.

I am NOT thinking of "sick lineups."  I'm thinking about how crappy the pitching has been.

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3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Mike Trout isn't getting any younger.  This team needs pitching now and they don't need another OF right now that everyone "hopes" can play 3B and 1B as well.

I am NOT thinking of "sick lineups."  I'm thinking about how crappy the pitching has been.

Obviously, FA pitching is an option, but couldn't this also apply to signing offensive help now, instead of counting on rookies/unproven players like Thaiss, Rengifo, Adell, Marsh, Jones, Walsh (or an aging Pujols at 1B), and using those players to acquire pitching too? 

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15 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Obviously, FA pitching is an option, but couldn't this also apply to signing offensive help now, instead of counting on rookies/unproven players like Thaiss, Rengifo, Adell, Marsh, Jones, Walsh (or an aging Pujols at 1B), and using those players to acquire pitching too? 

There is a much greater need for pitching, IMO. It's not even close. I don't know what people are projecting Castellanos to get in FA - but it has to be close to what they could have kept Calhoun for.  In this particular case, it just doesn't make sense. The only players you mentioned who have any "significant" trade value are Adell, Marsh and maybe Jones. I would hate the Angels to lose any of them.

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7 minutes ago, True Grich said:

There is a much greater need for pitching, IMO. It's not even close. I don't know what people are projecting Castellanos to get in FA - but it has to be close to what they could have kept Calhoun for.  In this particular case, it just doesn't make sense. The only players you mentioned who have any "significant" trade value are Adell, Marsh and maybe Jones. I would hate the Angels to lose any of them.

That's why I said trade for pitching.

I think it's safe to assume the Angels are going to sign one of Cole, Strasburg, Ryu, Wheeler, or Bumgarner to be their #1. They don't have much of a choice, they're going to spend what it takes, they have a need. 
After that it gets a lot trickier to guess what they'll do, or how the market will play out. Will the Cole sweepstakes cause them to miss landing their #2 target? Will the prices for their #2 target go far above what they want? 

The third-tier would be guys like Gibson, Pineda, Wood, Roark, Miley - there will likely be several of those guys available at any point in the offseason for a decent price, but none of them are really sure things. 

That leaves this enormous space between the top arm and the one-year vet depth, and it's hard to project how that will go. As long as that murky, ambiguous space exists, there will be an option on the table of trading prospects for that arm, and using said #2/mid-tier arm money for a bat to replace any prospect production dealt. And as such, we'll hear murmurs, unsubstantiated or not, about Angel interest in Castellanos or Moustakas or IF help, or stop-gap OFs. 
 

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10 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I mean, he wouldn't be a bad 1B right?

Let's face it. Pujols playing time is going to dwindle quite a bit over the next two seasons and if Castellanos can play 1B on days Ohtani DH's, then he can DH and Pujols play 1B on the three days in a row that Ohtani will get ready to pitch, pitch and then his day off after pitching. That's a lot of playing time, plus he can play in RF once in a while when we face a lefty to spell Brian Goodwin.

58 doubles, 27 HR and .525 slugging .pct is legit. He also usually hits around the .290 mark as well, so he puts the ball in play and hits the ball hella hard. 

If thats what hes brought in for, it makes some sense, its about the only way it does to me. 
Not sure what it says about the confidence in the kids in competition for that spot long term, probably that they are being shown the door.
Still kinda wonder why this is the priority?

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I don't really care how they put a pitching staff together, I just want to see one that's good enough to get them to the post season. I'd prefer they not trade Adell or Marsh. I don't know enough about the other prospects...

I like the idea of Cole Hamels and I read he's willing to take a one-year deal from a team that has a chance to win.

Gibson scares me.  Pineda still has 39 games left on his suspension. Wood is risky.  Roark - meh.  Miley - maybe. 

I'm guessing Odorizzi takes the qualifying offer.  Strasburg stays in DC and Bumgarner ends up in Atlanta or somewhere in the NL and not the AL.  Ryu seems possible. We all want Wheeler... everyone wants Wheeler... 

They have to get Cole or Wheeler, IMO.

The Angels have their work cut out for them. Again, I have no idea how they get to where they need to be.

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