THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[Pancake Bear]

2 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

Either the Angels are keeping interest quiet or they’re out on Wheeler. Which presumably means they can’t do both and they’re all in on Cole. I can’t see a scenario where they think they have a low chance at Cole and don’t go after Wheeler instead. 

I may have spoken too soon. 

[UndertheHalo]

Don’t underestimate teams pretending to be in order to drive up costs.  Teams do this.  Agents play along because it obviously helps them. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[Claude]

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

I read a few different sources rumoring Turner to 1b and muncy to 2b and lux/seager/pederson trade for lindor. 

wow. if they pull that off, wow.

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, Tank said:

wow. if they pull that off, wow.

If they re-sign him after 2021, then wow,    Otherwise, those three players for only two years of Lindor will not look good, unless they finally win their first WS since 1988. 

[rottiesworld]

Well that is good let the stupid Yanks pay 300 or more million on Cole. I don’t care how good he is the only one worth that much is Trout.  Also the pitcher only pitches like 25 games or so not worth that kind of money as to someone who plays about 140 to 160 games. Let the Yanks get Cole and get stuck with the big contract when they were crying they didn’t want anymore big contracts but we know they are full of shit.

[beatlesrule]

3:14

What realistic moves do you see the Angels making this off-season?

 

Steve Adams

3:15

I picked them to sign Cole, think they'll add a catcher (Jason Castro, as I just noted, makes sense) and that they'll add a second starter of a lower caliber. A durable guy like Porcello or Roark would be a fit given all the injuries they've had.

[mulwin444]

Per MLBTraderumors.com:

3:37pm: The White Sox are “willing” to push beyond the five-year, $100MM mark in order to sign Wheeler, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports. Whether they’ve actually made such an offer isn’t clear.

Who is ready for 6 years of Wheeler?!

[rottiesworld]

White Sox need to over pay to get players to go there and even then I wouldn’t want to go there.

 

[Pancake Bear]

I think Wheeler going to the White Sox. I don’t see the Angels going that high. If they did, it probably means they’re out on Cole. 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Every ma not move the angels make is done in Silence. I’m confident we get cole or Strasburg
 

[Claude]

1 hour ago, rottiesworld said:

Well that is good let the stupid Yanks pay 300 or more million on Cole. I don’t care how good he is the only one worth that much is Trout.  Also the pitcher only pitches like 25 games or so not worth that kind of money as to someone who plays about 140 to 160 games. Let the Yanks get Cole and get stuck with the big contract when they were crying they didn’t want anymore big contracts but we know they are full of shit.

Cole will be laughing all the way to the bank no matter where he goes. I seriously wouldn’t want or expect Arte to pay him $300M. It’s a huge risk for any team. Someone is going to pay him a lot and most likely more than he’s worth. 

[kevinb]

20 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

I think Wheeler going to the White Sox. I don’t see the Angels going that high. If they did, it probably means they’re out on Cole. 

We have plenty of resources to go big on both Cole and Wheeler. 

[Second Base]

One important thing to note..... So far, free agent contracts and extensions have not been exceeding expected AAV levels. They've been pretty much directly in line. The difference this winter is that guys are securing deals that are two years longer than expected. 

Zack Wheeler was expected to get 5 years at 20 million per year. Would it really surprise anyone if he ended up securing 6/120? It's basically the same as 5/100, it just comes with an extra year of control.

Same for Gerrit Cole. He was expected to get around 7/245. Would it really surprise anyone here if he got 8/280? 

[Tank]

19 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

Every ma not move the angels make is done in Silence. 
 

well said, i think.

[floplag]

Well it would seem the Chisox are completely in our kitchen this off season and have already won the first round with Grandal and are now also going after 2 front line starters per Only on Twitter.  It might seem they are not going Cole/Strasburg high but unless we are and we plan to get one of these tier 2 guys we better get to gettin  so to speak. 
 

[kevinb]

2 minutes ago, floplag said:

Well it would seem the Chisox are completely in our kitchen this off season and have already won the first round with Grandal and are now also going after 2 front line starters per Only on Twitter.  It might seem they are not going Cole/Strasburg high but unless we are and we plan to get one of these tier 2 guys we better get to gettin  so to speak. 
 

I don't think we were really involved with Grandal. 

[Claude]

4 minutes ago, floplag said:

Well it would seem the Chisox are completely in our kitchen this off season and have already won the first round with Grandal and are now also going after 2 front line starters per Only on Twitter.  It might seem they are not going Cole/Strasburg high but unless we are and we plan to get one of these tier 2 guys we better get to gettin  so to speak. 
 

I think we end up getting Cole and then it will be up to Eppler to fill in the cracks through trades and very thrifty shopping. Arte isn’t going to spend much more than Cole. 

[mmc]

 

[Angelsfan1984]

5 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

I think we end up getting Cole and then it will be up to Eppler to fill in the cracks through trades and very thrifty shopping. Arte isn’t going to spend much more than Cole. 

At that point, I think Eppler just shows Arte pictures of Harvey, Cahill and Allen and says...you want this again?

[Erstad Grit]

45 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

We have plenty of resources to go big on both Cole and Wheeler. 

Those were the two that I wanted too. Would you advocate 430 million for them though? 

[kevinb]

1 minute ago, Erstad Grit said:

Those were the two that I wanted too. Would you advocate 430 million for them though? 

If that what it takes. The window starts now. Unless the Angels want another sub .500 season we are going to have to pay some of these high prices for free agent pitchers. Most people don't want to trade any of our prospects so the best alternative is signing young free agent pitchers. 

[Vlad27Trout27]

I also believe that Wheeler may be out of our reach, I would not mind Ryu.

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Kevinb said:

I don't think we were really involved with Grandal. 

Nor i i just meant in terms of need, im fairly sure we planned to address C thru trade all along. 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Calzone 2 said:

I think we end up getting Cole and then it will be up to Eppler to fill in the cracks through trades and very thrifty shopping. Arte isn’t going to spend much more than Cole. 

Well, thats not going to be enough IMO, we need two SP... two good SP