THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[Stradling]

Just now, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Lamo you guys really debating trading Marsh for Tehran? Fucken Tehran off all pitchers!!! you guys are smoking something bad..... 

No, we aren’t debating it.  

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

Isn't there an option for Teheran? If the Braves pick it up I don't see them trading him. If not, go get him.

If they pick up the option, Marsh for Teheran.

[Vlad27Trout27]

seems like a debate.

[Angelsfan1984]

Marsh would be a centerpiece around a Thor trade, not for Teheran.

[tomsred]

Trout, Adell and Marsh represent our future All Star outfield.  They each have five letters in their last names, as in 5 tool players.  Let's show a little patience here.  There are better avenues to success than moving Marsh.

[Docwaukee]

11 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

seems like a debate.

go back and look again. it's not a debate.  there is one person who mentioned it and no one else who supports it.  

Cole is worth 12/500.  Let's debate.  

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

Marsh for Teheran.

[Docwaukee]

I don't know whether to give @Glen a hug or punch him in the junk.  

[Chuck]

If we traded Marsh for Teheran we also better be getting back a Kyle Wright or Bryce Wilson/Kyle Muller.

I've moved over to the Marsh is an untouchable crowd here in recent weeks.

[Stradling]

Would Marsh for Contreras be something you guys would consider?

[totdprods]

19 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Would Marsh for Contreras be something you guys would consider?

Absolutely. The Angels don't have a damn thing resembling a legit catching prospect, and they're already hard to come by. 

It would have to depend some on the other pieces - Marsh, in my mind, assuming there's no other Cubs players involved, should be at least 33-50% of the value in a Conteras deal. 

As good as Marsh could be, he still could be expendable. 
2020: Upton, Trout, Adell, Goodwin
2021: Upton, Trout, Adell, Goodwin
2022: Upton, Trout, Adell, Goodwin - Deveaux and Knowles could be on the 40-man, as they need to Rule 5 protected between '21 and '22.
2023: Trout, Adell, ??? - hopefully Deveaux, Knowles, or Adams have climbed into top prospect status by now.

Jordyn Adams, Alexander Ramirez, Brennon Lund, Michael Hermosillo, Jahmai Jones, Taylor Ward, and Orlando Martinez all stand a shot at being able to play OF in the bigs. Brian Goodwin was claimed off waivers. 

Edited November 1, 2019 by totdprods

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Glen said:

Isn't there an option for Teheran? If the Braves pick it up I don't see them trading him. If not, go get him.

If they pick up the option, Marsh for Teheran.

Teheran is a solid enough starter, but Marsh has a chance to be really, really good.    What would be a fair trade for Teheran, that doesn't include Adell or Marsh?  

Edit: Just saw Tot's post. ->  "It's essentially a salary dump.  More like an Ortega/Madero/Pina/Brady and Lund/Rivas/Orlando Martinez type deal, at most." 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Angel Oracle

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Lamo you guys really debating trading Marsh for Tehran? Fucken Tehran off all pitchers!!! you guys are smoking something bad..... 

Well said.

[m0nkey]

Carlos Beltran to the Mets like it’s 2006 again

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Would Marsh for Contreras be something you guys would consider?

probably not.  but it depends on what else the team does and what they want their window to be. He's got 3 years of control left.  He's ok defensively and very good offensively with some room to be better.  If he stays the same as a 3 WAR catcher and that's how the Angels project him, then you are better of going year to year on a guy like dArnaud.  Yes, Willson would solve the spot for the time being but the cost would be so hefty that it just wouldn't make sense to me.  

You can get value on the FA market with a catcher because defense in undervalued.  Whereas offensive minded catcher with mediocre (at best) defense are probably overvalued due to positional scarcity.  Which is why I still really like Grandal.  He brings both, can play some 1b/DH, and you can get him without giving up farm currency.  Plus, he won't have a qual attached.  Yes, he's a little on the older side as far as catchers go, but he's got some value in his flexibility.  

Marsh is not expendable.  Yet.  And could be one of the top 20 prospects in baseball by mid year 2020.  Yes, there is some risk there, but I think it's worth holding on to him.  

[Mark68]

3 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I agree with Eli.

[Mark68]

3 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

She looks like Zombie Michael just invited her back to Neverland. But she's too old.

[ScottM]

I am a huge fan of Julio Teheran. This would be an excellent pickup. 

 

[m0nkey]

5 minutes ago, ScottSted said:

I am a huge fan of Julio Teheran. This would be an excellent pickup. 

 

Discussed the past page +.

 

Is this the same @Scott34?

[tdawg87]

I wouldn't trade for Teheren but if he becomes a free agent he'd be a perfect option. I like him better than Odorizzi and I think he'll get less money.

[Erstad Grit]

I'd love teheran as our number 4 pitcher.

1. Cole/stras

2. Wheeler/madbum/ryu

3. Ohtani

4. Teheran

5. Heaney

6. Canning

[tomsred]

I hope we are not moving into building a "secondary rotation."  A "primary rotation" should be the priority, we have candidates for a secondary rotation.  Somewhere in that mass of pitchers we drafted in recent years has to be secondary candidates.

[Lou]

24 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

She looks like Zombie Michael just invited her back to Neverland. But she's too old.

and female

[tdawg87]

8 minutes ago, tomsred said:

I hope we are not moving into building a "secondary rotation."  A "primary rotation" should be the priority, we have candidates for a secondary rotation.  Somewhere in that mass of pitchers we drafted in recent years has to be secondary candidates.

Not sure what you mean by "primary" and "secondary" rotations.

Obviously Cole is still target number 1. But we aren't getting Cole and Strasburg. Hell we probably aren't getting Cole and Wheeler/Ryu. So guys like Teheran are nice options to fill the middle of the rotation. 

[Angel Dog and Beer]

We talk about it a bit here, but has the team discussed resurrecting the 6-man rotation for next season? I assume this is all dependent on Ohtani's health, but is it a foregone conclusion? Did Maddon talk about this at his introductory presser?