THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[Lou]

On 11/7/2019 at 7:51 PM, Lou said:

when was the last time a team signed 3 of the top available free agents? it's not going to happen. at some point you have to be realistic.

I agree

[TroutField]

White Sox are going to be spend stupid money. Hopefully they don’t throw a ridiculous contract at Cole that he can’t say no to 

[floplag]

2 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Mistake avoided is how I see it. Glad we didn't get him. 

At that price, perhaps, but we still have a black hole behind the plate so and its not my money. 

[floplag]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

It’ll happen again. 

Yeah, it will.
With the usual players involved and other teams that think they have a window getting involved, its going to get interesting.

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

At that price, perhaps, but we still have a black hole behind the plate so and its not my money. 

Like i've been saying, I'll take Maldonado for one year to help with Gerrit Cole and Ohtani and to shut the running game down.

[floplag]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Like i've been saying, I'll take Maldonado for one year to help with Gerrit Cole and Ohtani and to shut the running game down.

Im not against it, but McCann also now obviously available in trade might be worth a talk. 
Then again stolen bases and the running game seem so passe in the era of moneyball and analytics  

[floplag]

10 minutes ago, Lou said:

I agree

hold up you dont get to i agree yourself, thats like forumbation or something. 

[Stradling]

I have no idea what it would cost to get McCann but you’d have to assume it would cost us a top fifteen prospect for one year of him. The one year is the problem. 

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

Im not against it, but McCann also now obviously available in trade might be worth a talk. 
Then again stolen bases and the running game seem so passe in the era of moneyball and analytics  

I'm up for James McCann if they put him on the market. Could be costly in prospects though...

[totdprods]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I have no idea what it would cost to get McCann but you’d have to assume it would cost us a top fifteen prospect for one year of him. The one year is the problem. 

I think you could probably also discuss guys like Bedrosian, Goodwin, or La Stella too, FWIW. Not that I’d necessarily go down that road but there’s probably some comparable value there.

And if the Angels then replaced that player internally or via FA, it’s not necessarily a bad sequence. 

Such as Goodwin for McCann or Cincy’s DeSclafani and Casali/Barnhart, then sign Kole to a one-year.

Edited November 21, 2019 by totdprods

[CanadianHalo]

In terms of offensive production it looks more like a fluky year for McCann than something he’s going to maintain moving forward. I wouldn’t be willing to give up too much for him.

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, RBM said:

I see him at 3/48 on FG.

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?pos=c

Thats' the crowdsource prediction, not their in house one.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-top-50-free-agents/

6. Yasmani Grandal, C, Age 31

Contract Estimate

Type	Years	AAV	Total
Kiley McDaniel	4	$17.5 M	$70.0 M
Median Crowdsource	3	$16.0 M	$48.0 M
Avg Crowdsource	3.46	$18.4 M	$63.5 M

2020 Steamer Projections

PA	BB%	K%	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	wRC+	Off	Def	WAR
580	14.6%	23.5%	.244	.358	.460	.348	115	8.3	7.0	4.8

Kiley’s Take
If you haven’t looked, you may not believe it: Grandal has posted five straight seasons of 4 or 5 WAR. In a catching landscape that increasingly looks like a Mad Max film, the backstop keeps performing, though I’m sure his fingers are crossed that robo umps are still a ways off given his +134 runs career framing figure. He reportedly turned down four years and $60 million from the Mets last offseason because a $15 million AAV wasn’t the precedent he wanted to set, then had to settle for one year and $18.25 million from Milwaukee (just above the qualifying offer he turned down). He seems likely to get at least the Mets’ offer again given his 5.2 WAR season, and I’m betting his deal comes in at a bit more.

Player Notes
Grandal was a top-10 free agent on our list last year, and a fat lot of good it did him, as he wound up inking just a one-year contract for barely more money than Los Angeles’ qualifying offer. Grandal declined his 2020 option with Milwaukee and hits the market again this winter in much the same place he was last year.

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

In terms of offensive production it looks more like a fluky year for McCann than something he’s going to maintain moving forward. I wouldn’t be willing to give up too much for him.

Yeah, but you can make similar arguments against Bedrosian, Goodwin, and La Stella. 

McCann's always been really solid defensively I believe. His overall '19 line is crazy based off a huge first-half. If he just hovered around a league-average bat with plus defense, it could be a good deal.

[floplag]

18 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I have no idea what it would cost to get McCann but you’d have to assume it would cost us a top fifteen prospect for one year of him. The one year is the problem. 

yeah pretty much, was just tossing it out there as it would seem obvious they will now try to move him. 

[KDWells]

I think Zack Collins is more likely to be on the move than McCann.

[Jay]

46 minutes ago, Bronson said:

Well lost out on the first big free agent we could have used. Let’s not let it happen again.

lol

 

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, RBM said:

Got it. Thanks. I wonder why they don't include Kiley McDaniels estimates on their 2020 Free Agent tracker.

NP..

It's probably just a desire to keep it from getting too busy...  They use the median number too, .vs the average.. which I totally get...  But more often than not the actual figures come in closer to the average figure. 

 

[rottiesworld]

Well there is always a stupid team that is going to just throw money to get a player. It looks like Chicago White Sox is the team this year.

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, rottiesworld said:

Well there is always a stupid team that is going to just throw money to get a player. It looks like Chicago White Sox is the team this year.

I believe the Rangers are another team to worry about in terms of spending stupid money this offseason. 

[T.G.]

8 minutes ago, rottiesworld said:

Well there is always a stupid team that is going to just throw money to get a player. It looks like Chicago White Sox is the team this year.

Nope... too easy.

[Angelsfan1984]

8 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I believe the Rangers are another team to worry about in terms of spending stupidly money this offseason. 

Fixed

[T.G.]

 

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

411 221

 

[Angelsfan1984]

15 minutes ago, True Grich said:

 

Like an idiot...ask Harper

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Tank said:

411 221