Angels focused on staying in Anaheim.

[Angel Oracle]

14 minutes ago, Brandon said:

One thing throwing me off in this thread is how can the team build a new stadium in the same location? I don't drive by the stadium often, but did on Sunday and I don't think there is room to replace the stadium without demolishing the old stadium.

Especially if they want to preserve enough parking and not want to wait several years to build out the entertainment portion of the land. 

[eaterfan]

18 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Especially if they want to preserve enough parking and not want to wait several years to build out the entertainment portion of the land. 

I am looking at a satellite view. It looks like there is enough room to build somewhere in the parking lots, especially if they remove a few small office buildings. I think the parking will be limited if they build there and depending on how much they want to limit parking, they could even start the development while they build the stadium. 

[Lhalo]

There's plenty of room. When you remove the planters and surrounding patio the stadium doesn't have a large footprint compared to the massive parking lot.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Lhalo

[Tank]

i like anaheim stadium and its' look. i'm not opposed to them building a new stadium on the same property but i'd also be okay with some renovations here and there.

i'm not in favor of them moving to long beach or irvine. both of those spots would present traffic armageddons.

[totdprods]

I finally made it back to Angel Stadium this year after catching the Halos on the road in various ballparks the last decade or so...

I can say with zero hesitation, plain as day, the Angels need a new stadium. The renovation costs to make the ballpark match up with modern counterparts would be the same as building a new one. 

The era in which Angel Stadium was built, and the way the seating and sightlines are designed, feels far too spacious and removed from game activity. The newer, slightly smaller stadiums with seats drawn tighter and higher to the field would really help negate some of the 'laid-back' casual mood of the games. And all of the concourses and infrastructure...well, I've been to minor league stadiums that felt nicer. 

The Rangers seemingly went from idea to design to construction to opening on their new ballpark in what seems like three years. I know constructing anything that size in SoCal will be a lot more intricate, but I think it'd be very reasonable to build a new stadium adjacent to the old one fairly quickly once the funding and design get ironed out, and it would be the best case for all.

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Lhalo said:

There's plenty of room. When you remove the planters and surrounding patio the stadium doesn't have a large footprint compared to the massive parking lot.

Is this up to date? I don't see the train station. I also thought they added a bit around Orangewood and State College intersection....could be wrong on this.

While there does look to be enough space, between building the new stadium and demolishing the old one there will be no parking.....unless maybe they do some weird ass shuttle service with people parking at the hockey arena.

[totdprods]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Is this up to date? I don't see the train station. I also thought they added a bit around Orangewood and State College intersection....could be wrong on this.

While there does look to be enough space, between building the new stadium and demolishing the old one there will be no parking.....unless maybe they do some weird ass shuttle service with people parking at the hockey arena.

Maybe first they build a new section with leveled parking, before breaking ground on the new stadium or during the offseason.

[Brandon]

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Maybe first they build a new section with leveled parking, before breaking ground on the new stadium or during the offseason.

I thought about this initially, but leveled or tiered parking structures are beyond terrible. The time it would take to leave would not have me go to games or I'd just Uber.....which is probably the move anyway since the trip costs as much as parking anyway.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

One thing throwing me off in this thread is how can the team build a new stadium in the same location? I don't drive by the stadium often, but did on Sunday and I don't think there is room to replace the stadium without demolishing the old stadium.

there are a few places that have built a new stadium on the same property while a season was going on. if the angels were to do that, it would create a parking nightmare for fans. i've never spoken to a fan of a team that has gone through this, but i imagine they didn't enjoy it very much unless there was really good public transportation available to the stadium, which i don't think the angels have.

[Brandon]

Well, you have the train station right there. Maybe they could do some kind of free shuttle deal and the arena with a full lot is right down the street.

Many years ago I thought it was possible moving a new stadium towards the Orangewood/State College intersection where that old ass warehouse that was closed down was, but they have since built apartments there.

[ScottT]

Parking would still be better than some mlb parks. During and after construction of a new stadium. Lots of business parks in the area could be used on most days. You might have to walk a bit, but that isnt uncommon around the league. Just different than what we are used tp

[Tank]

the train station is a good option but they'll have to add another couple of trains back to downtown LA (and at a reasonable time after the game ends) for people from LA county.

i'd forgotten about the pond being there, too. as long as there isn't a ducks game or a concert, that would be a viable alternative as a place to run some shuttles over to the big a.

[Lhalo]

13 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Is this up to date? I don't see the train station. I also thought they added a bit around Orangewood and State College intersection....could be wrong on this.

The train station or ARTIC (red) is located on the other side of the 57 freeway. The George Apartments (green) were built a couple seasons ago and the cancelled LT Global development which was sold to a new owner (blue) is still an empty building/lot. The Angels or Anaheim should hire me lol.

 

[Lou]

13 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

The train station or ARTIC (red) is located on the other side of the 57 freeway. The George Apartments (green) were built a couple seasons ago and the cancelled LT Global development which was sold to a new owner (blue) is still an empty building/lot. The Angels or Anaheim should hire me lol.

 

I agree. you could be VP of Circles. 

[Lhalo]

Taste the rainbow.

[Lou]

Just now, Lhalo said:

Taste the rainbow.

perv 

[Blarg]

6 hours ago, Kevinb said:

Like other other buildings in the area. The owner. I don’t know if that question is real or not. You know most buildings are built by companies right? Arte is worth a lot of money has made a lot of money and I don’t know the financing he can get for it but it won’t be the city forking over a billion dollars I’ll tell you that much. He will either build that stadium himself or it won’t get done. I’ve dealt with the city in business deals previously. There’s zero percent chance the city will build him a stadium. 

 

6 hours ago, yk9001 said:

Why wouldn't anybody but the rich guy who owns the team and benefits from the the use of the stadium?

What are you, one of those socialist libtard welfare queens who looks to the government for handouts?

Yeah, you are both stupid. Moreno does not own the land so there is no way to recoup the costs if he cannot develop the parking lot with restaurants and retail to offset the stadium downtime. But go ahead and flap your gums about how these rich guys can just throw their money around without any future value. 

[eaterfan]

12 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Parking would still be better than some mlb parks. During and after construction of a new stadium. Lots of business parks in the area could be used on most days. You might have to walk a bit, but that isnt uncommon around the league. Just different than what we are used tp

Yes. Also, the parking lot was big enough for a football crowd. Even getting rid of 25% of it would still be adequate for a baseball game.

[Brandon]

13 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

The train station or ARTIC (red) is located on the other side of the 57 freeway. The George Apartments (green) were built a couple seasons ago and the cancelled LT Global development which was sold to a new owner (blue) is still an empty building/lot. The Angels or Anaheim should hire me lol.

 

Cool and good to know. I haven't seen or been to the ARTIC system since it was built nor have I been on the Katella side to see that the train station is now gone that was next to the stadium behind The Grove.

[kevinb]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

 

Yeah, you are both stupid. Moreno does not own the land so there is no way to recoup the costs if he cannot develop the parking lot with restaurants and retail to offset the stadium downtime. But go ahead and flap your gums about how these rich guys can just throw their money around without any future value. 

I don’t know the particulars on the deal but wouldn’t him building the stadium in turn by the land as well? If he doesn’t own the land then there’s no point building a stadium to pay a lease to the city. But if it’s buying the land and building it makes sense. But ya we will see what happens. They’ve done studies and plenty of them that shows when cities build stadiums it’s not a good investment of their tax payers money. I don’t know what your argument is though?

[eaterfan]

9 minutes ago, Blarg said:

 

Yeah, you are both stupid. Moreno does not own the land so there is no way to recoup the costs if he cannot develop the parking lot with restaurants and retail to offset the stadium downtime. But go ahead and flap your gums about how these rich guys can just throw their money around without any future value. 

Arte bought the club for $200 million and it's worth $1.75 billion according to Forbes. Presuming he has the rights to the stadium for 100 years (longer than the life of the stadium) I'm sure that will add to the value. Yeah, it's not the same thing as generating cash, but I don't think his return on investment is going to be an issue. 

Also, if he can't make money on building a stadium, why is it the city's problem?

[2112]

7 hours ago, yk9001 said:

Why wouldn't anybody but the rich guy who owns the team and benefits from the the use of the stadium?

What are you, one of those socialist libtard welfare queens who looks to the government for handouts?

Isn't the whole site full of them?

 

Oh wait!  I thought you mentioned Drama Queens in leotards....

 

 

My bad.

[Brandon]

4 minutes ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

Those days are pretty much over in baseball. The Astros averaged well under 40k this year. The Yankees averaged under 41,000. The Dodgers did average almost 50k tho. 

But for a smaller market team like the Angels they aren’t averaging more than 35k no matter how successful they are given baseball’s consistent decline in popularity. The new normal for baseball stadiums is going to be 35k max. I think that would be a great number for the Angels if they’re ever good again. 

I think the only thing you are discounting is OC is a huge commerce and business area. Outside of the normal take the family to the game nights, I think a lot of seats/suites are corporate bought.....which is why the stadium looks empty but the Jumbotron still says it's sold out or close to it.

[totdprods]

54 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I thought about this initially, but leveled or tiered parking structures are beyond terrible. The time it would take to leave would not have me go to games or I'd just Uber.....which is probably the move anyway since the trip costs as much as parking anyway.

It’s still doable, if even just a small portion of the parking. Either make it one of the  cheapest places to park and build for a higher volume - if you have to wait, so be it, it’s the payoff for cheaper parking. Might just take a hybrid approach, leaning on public transportation (whatever is available) to pick up a bit of slack, shuttling from the arena, an improved ride-sharing lane or lot, more walking from further lots, maybe a VIP leveled parking with valet, etc., or built into any new entertainment facilities that develop concurrently, places to hang before/after game to help stagger traffic flow.

[Lhalo]

4 minutes ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

Those days are pretty much over in baseball. The Astros averaged well under 40k this year. The Yankees averaged under 41,000. The Dodgers did average almost 50k tho. 

But for a smaller market team like the Angels they aren’t averaging more than 35k no matter how successful they are given baseball’s consistent decline in popularity. The new normal for baseball stadiums is going to be 35k max. I think that would be a great number for the Angels if they’re ever good again. 

The Angels aren't a small market team. Also there is no way in hell the new stadium will be 25k-30k capacity. Just because MLB attendance has taken a slight dip doesn't mean everyone is going to start downsizing stadiums by 15-20 thousand seats. https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml

The Angels paid attendance was still #5 in all of MLB this year. They averaged over 37k even with a pathetic performance on the field. What reasoning would they possibly have to reduce the capacity to 25k-30k?