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Angels employee details team's knowledge of Tyler Skaggs' drug use to DEA

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With everything the Angels and Skaggs went through with the surgery, the rehabbing and a few setbacks to go along with the lack of pitching depth, they did everything they could to keep him on the mound. With Heaney and Ohtani on the mend they chose to turn a blind eye. The whole thing sucks. 

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1 hour ago, Smedley said:

This. It happened to us, but it could have easily happened to about any company, organization, team, church group, anything. I have worked with guys who bragged about being "a pharmacy" and could get you anything you wanted. I also worked for a pro football team where pretty much every white guy on the team was buying steroids from the same guy. This doesn't mean the Angels suck as an organization. It means they were the unfortunate ones. The same stuff that killed Tyler killed Prince, 'Tom Petty, and others. 

Black guys don't do steroids?

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29 minutes ago, ScottT said:

This.... a player dying... an employee involved in his drug use... who knows what's to come

Isnt common

All except for a player dying is. The point, which a few of you seem incapable of grasping is that this kind of culture is likely in many orgs, the Angels just happened to be the one where the guy OD’d. 

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When all of the dust clears it wouldn't surprise me to see Major League Baseball impose some type of league sanctions on the Angels like a loss of draft picks or something similar.

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1 minute ago, Calzone 2 said:

When all of the dust clears it wouldn't surprise me to see the Major League Baseball impose some type of league sanctions on the Angels like a loss of draft picks or something similar.

Its possible, but doubtful unless there is evidence it goes beyond Kay. Not just his word, but actual proof. Its too early to know whether or not that might be the case. 

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11 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

All except for a player dying is. The point, which a few of you seem incapable of grasping is that this kind of culture is likely in many orgs, the Angels just happened to be the one where the guy OD’d. 

Not too different than JFern, right? Or what about PChung in football, who I believe is somehow still playing right now?

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1 minute ago, Randy Gradishar said:

Not too different than JFern, right? Or what about PChung in football, who I believe is somehow still playing right now?

Speaking of which, the Marlins are a far greater laughing stock than the Angels. That cannot be disputed. Angels are at most the 2nd greatest.

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3 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

Its possible, but doubtful unless there is evidence it goes beyond Kay. Not just his word, but actual proof. Its too early to know whether or not that might be the case. 

It will be interesting on how quick the civil action gets resolved. It's a black eye for the Angels organization and MLB. They all want this to go away ASAP.

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1 minute ago, Second Base said:

How in the heck are the Angels supposed to convince Maddon or any major free agent to sign with the team, or even return to contention with this hanging over their head?

Maddon is a manager. Ausmus was a babysitter. Maddon will do great here.

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7 minutes ago, azmancini said:

Does anybody seriously think that Skaggs and the “other 5 players” are the only ones who do this shit? Please! This abuse is likely rampant through MLB, and especially the NBAof fuckin China and NFL.

If everyone does it, Skaggs was definitely the worst at it.

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39 minutes ago, Randy Gradishar said:

I even feel bad for the Adenhart driver, though I'm probably in the minority. I'm only bothered when people cause harm intentionally.

The only bright side is that Andrew Gallo is supposedly trying to straighten up his life.

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20 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

When all of the dust clears it wouldn't surprise me to see Major League Baseball impose some type of league sanctions on the Angels like a loss of draft picks or something similar.

I doubt it.  Sanctioning an organization for the actions of a few people who were doing things on their own makes little sense.

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10 minutes ago, Second Base said:

How in the heck are the Angels supposed to convince Maddon or any major free agent to sign with the team, or even return to contention with this hanging over their head?

This is what I'm thinking. Is Maddon going to want to be anywhere near this org?

 

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8 minutes ago, Second Base said:

How in the heck are the Angels supposed to convince Maddon or any major free agent to sign with the team, or even return to contention with this hanging over their head?

This is a bit of an over reaction.  This will pass.  Life goes on.  It always does.

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My two cents....

The guy who got Skaggs the drugs should have never got him the drugs in the first place, that said Skaggs had a problem that maybe could have been dealt with before it ended with his untimely death. 

Seems like Skaggs had a real problem for a real long time that a lot of people had to know about but no one really helped him it seemed. His family, his friends or his colleagues. There is no way like we've all been saying that his teammates didn't have a clue what was going on. Not that this means anything, but a friend of mines friend is on the Angels and he was one of the guys who was worried about him that night and got one of the coaches to come to his room and that's when they found him dead. 

This is a huge PR hit for the team, but can we stop saying we. We are not apart of the Angels organization, we are fans of the team. Sure it casts a dark light over our favorite team but it doesn't look poorly on us that the organization "turned a blind eye to this" It sucks we have to read this stuff, and probably more stuff will come down the pipeline as a result of this investigation. But money talks if we offer the highest bid for free agents they will come and this Skaggs story will be over and done with. 

Drug use is rampant in society and rampant in sports. 20 something year old kids with millions of dollars and a problem are going to do some fucked up shit. It is what it is. Doesn't make the loss of Skaggs hurt any less for his teammates, friends, family or fans. 

This still all sucks. For his family, friends, teammates and us fans. this news doesn't make it any easier. If you want to blame the guy who got him the drugs fine, if you want to blame Skaggs for getting into this stuff fine, if you want to blame dumb luck fine. It just sucks. Be nice to each other, we all have no clue what we are all going through internally. Hopefully this helps people realize some different stuff, here's hoping. 

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4 minutes ago, azmancini said:

Chuck, sorry, but if he was such a great guy, he wouldn’t be in this situation. Sick and tired of this addiction excuse cover.

You do realize that people are complex and multi-faceted? 

I don't know the guy, so have no idea about him personally. That's partially why I reserve judgement. But I also know human nature well enough that I feel comfortable saying that a person can be great in some ways, shitty in others. In fact, I've never known anyone who is all good or all bad (and of course, "good" and "bad" aren't absolutes, but dependent upon your value system).

 

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