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I don't know who he is or what his relationship to the Angels was, so I'll take what he says with a heaping dose of salt. It's certainly an interesting topic of discussion, though. 

I think we all want a more "tangible" answer to the plague of pitching injuries than simply "bad luck". Something like this could be a legitimate reason, but there's really no way to prove it. 

At this point, though, anything and everything should be on the table. It's beyond ridiculous.

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19 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Not to sound Straddy, but if it was mismanagement at some point the Angels would change things. It’s not like they’re actively trying to injure their pitchers.

They kept Sosh for 19 years and a lot of those arm injuries happened under his watch. 

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@Jeff Fletcher has pointed out before, and its a solid as hell point, that the angels painted themselves in a corner by not developing their own pitchers. With no money and nothing to trade, the guys we were actually able to acquire were in most cases already question marks.

Richards. Need TJ, tried to avoid it, then needed it. Ohtani, signed with an already torn UCL. Meyer. Shoulder damage. Canning had concerns when drafted. Etc etc. 

So I have no idea if the Angels are or arent abusing their pitchers. But it cant be ignored that at least with a decent chunk of these guys, there were already some concerns when we got them.

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I'm very curious as to what is considered mismanagement.  

is it the fact that key went from 29ip to 67ip from 2013 to 2014 or to 125.2ip the year after?

is it the 46 appearances he made in 2016 after being groomed as a starter?  

is it the 74 appearances he mad e in 2017?  

is it the prep or the post? 

is it the rest in between? 

was it the Dipoto regime that caused the problems?  because that's when it seems everything started to go down hill and/or shortly after he left 

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26 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

@Jeff Fletcher has pointed out before, and its a solid as hell point, that the angels painted themselves in a corner by not developing their own pitchers. With no money and nothing to trade, the guys we were actually able to acquire were in most cases already question marks.

Richards. Need TJ, tried to avoid it, then needed it. Ohtani, signed with an already torn UCL. Meyer. Shoulder damage. Canning had concerns when drafted. Etc etc. 

So I have no idea if the Angels are or arent abusing their pitchers. But it cant be ignored that at least with a decent chunk of these guys, there were already some concerns when we got them.

Skaggs

Heaney

Richards

Middleton

Ramirez

None of them had any prior history. Is it just bad luck? 

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as some have mentioned, which of the Halo pitchers were home grown and abused?  

Heaney pitched 184 innings between the bigs and AAA in 2015 after throwing 167 the year before with Miami.  Was that the tipping point?  

Skaggs went 158.1 in 2011, 152 in 2012 and 148 in 2013 all for the dback and then 116 for the Angels in 2014.  

Richards was 143 in 2010, 157 in 2011, 148 in 2012, 145 in 2013, 168.2 in 2014, 212 in 2015 with a knee injury in between 2014/2015, and then the injuries started.  

JC Ramirez went from 66ip in 2015 to 84 in 2016, to 147 in 2017.  

Middleton we know about.  

Shoemaker has a different injury history.  

So does CJ Wilson

so does Nick Tropeano

and Alex Meyer

and Cam Bedrosian

and Ohtani

Someone give me a pattern here.  The only thing I see that most have in common is that the injury history started during the dipoto era but it didn't stop there.  

How many of those guys got the bulk of their work under MS? 

someone help me out.  

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3 minutes ago, Kody Mac said:

Skaggs

Heaney

Richards

Middleton

Ramirez

None of them had any prior history. Is it just bad luck? 

but their time with the Angels isn't consistent between when they started and when they got injured.  Neither is their workload.  Neither is the management of who directed their workload.  Neither is the level they were at or the coaches they were subject to.  

I'm not here to make excuses, but the root cause doesn't seem overly apparent to me and one pitcher could have be overworked but that doesn't me the entire system is broken.  It's the correlation causation argument.  

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