Erstad Grit 1,716 Posted August 14 Last season and this season ..... Player A 5 Hr, 25 rbis, .190 av, 261 OBP, -.7 war, 25 million Player B 55 Hr, 158 rbis, .258 av, .326 OBP, 4.6 war, 12.5 million any guesses? Huge Eppler mistake 1 Vladdylonglegs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totdprods 7,593 Posted August 14 Cozart and Moustakas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erstad Grit 1,716 Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, totdprods said: Cozart and Moustakas. Yuppers Most here preferred Moose. Puzzling decision Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totdprods 7,593 Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said: Yuppers Most here preferred Moose. Puzzling decision I remember most here bitching about Moose’s OBP not being good enough. And a lot of love for Jed Lowrie. 1 ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoPas Angel 430 Posted August 14 I completely forgot about Cozart. Do you suppose that's a good sign? 2 ten ocho recon scout and ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad27Trout27 487 Posted August 14 But if moose was on the team, would Flect or La Stella both get playing time. Most may argue, that the Cozart signing and injury, open the way for both Flec and La Stella. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angel Oracle 11,065 Posted August 14 Thank goodness only one more season under contract for Cozart. Is it safe to say that if he can't get it done preparing for the 2020 season, that they DFA him and eat the $12.7 million? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AngelsFaninGA 1,114 Posted August 14 "The Cozart signing made sense at the time." 1 Vladdylonglegs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AngelsLakersFan 6,046 Posted August 14 If we could go back we'd probably be better off not signing either of them. This actually gets to the root cause of the mid tier FA collapse. 1 ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ten ocho recon scout 13,675 Posted August 15 I think moustakas had a draft pick attached at the time, and was holding out for a big contract? I wanted him big time (for 3B alone), but if i remember right the rumors were he wanted like 70, ended up having to accept the quality offer or something like that? 1 DMVol reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RBM 1,004 Posted August 15 Yeah, Moustakas(Boras) misread the 2018 FA market. Ended up signing in March for 1/5.5. I’m certain Eppler offered him more than that before he signed Cozart. 2 ten ocho recon scout and DMVol reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace-Of-Diamonds 3,378 Posted August 15 6 hours ago, RBM said: Yeah, Moustakas(Boras) misread the 2018 FA market. Ended up signing in March for 1/5.5. I’m certain Eppler offered him more than that before he signed Cozart. In 2017 he ended up on a 1 year contract back with KC @$8.7M after turning down a QO. It would have been a bargain compared with Cozart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ten ocho recon scout 13,675 Posted August 15 26 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said: In 2017 he ended up on a 1 year contract back with KC @$8.7M after turning down a QO. It would have been a bargain compared with Cozart. It totally would have. But I think what RBM is saying is that Moustakas had better offers and turned them down, then he was forced to go back to KC. If he was willing to come here for what KC paid l, Im sure he would have been here. Hes like what I assume Calhoun will be. And how some recent guys have been. Some agents havent caught up to the current reality, and still think there is a way higher market for their guys.... 1 RBM reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenmaster 1,466 Posted August 15 hindsight something or another, blah blah blah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Fletcher 6,161 Posted August 15 As others have said, my understanding is when the Angels engaged with Moose in December 17 he wanted a lot more than Cozart, plus had a draft pick attached. 1 ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blarg 26,039 Posted August 15 He still doesn't have a long term contract. There is a mutual option for 2020 but nothing guaranteed the Brewers will pick up the contract extension. 1 ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMVol 2,167 Posted August 15 14 hours ago, RBM said: Yeah, Moustakas(Boras) misread the 2018 FA market. Ended up signing in March for 1/5.5. I’m certain Eppler offered him more than that before he signed Cozart. ^^^This.....Eppler didn't mess it up, Boras did....as badly as it could have been messed up....cost his client lots of money and a place to play near his home.... 1 RBM reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Fletcher 6,161 Posted August 15 2 minutes ago, DMVol said: ^^^This.....Eppler didn't mess it up, Boras did....as badly as it could have been messed up....cost his client lots of money and a place to play near his home.... This is interesting as it relates to Cole. You are hearing more and more stories like this from Boras clients. Martín Maldonado also turned down 2/16 from the Astros, ended up with 1/3 or something from KC and fired Boras. Gio Gonzalez was asking for 2/24 in December and ended up with 1/3 in May. Will this make Boras more likely to settle for a lower number earlier than he had his sights set on? 2 RBM and ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenmaster 1,466 Posted August 15 20 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said: This is interesting as it relates to Cole. You are hearing more and more stories like this from Boras clients. Martín Maldonado also turned down 2/16 from the Astros, ended up with 1/3 or something from KC and fired Boras. Gio Gonzalez was asking for 2/24 in December and ended up with 1/3 in May. Will this make Boras more likely to settle for a lower number earlier than he had his sights set on? My guess is his ego will cause him to double down to prove his greatness and go for even more outrageous contracts than he had previously. 1 ScruffytheJanitor reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 3,514 Posted August 15 59 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said: ou are hearing more and more stories like this from Boras clients. Martín Maldonado also turned down 2/16 from the Astros, ended up with 1/3 or something from KC and fired Boras. Gio Gonzalez was asking for 2/24 in December and ended up with 1/3 in May. Not good. Surprising that Boras has any clients at this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMVol 2,167 Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said: This is interesting as it relates to Cole. You are hearing more and more stories like this from Boras clients. Martín Maldonado also turned down 2/16 from the Astros, ended up with 1/3 or something from KC and fired Boras. Gio Gonzalez was asking for 2/24 in December and ended up with 1/3 in May. Will this make Boras more likely to settle for a lower number earlier than he had his sights set on? Sometimes he is right and it works to hold out a while longer....but he also misses it badly sometimes... I'd want my agent to have a good read on the market...You've got to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, as somebody once said... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ten ocho recon scout 13,675 Posted August 15 Its not just Boras. There have been other players in recent years that would have been huge paydays if they hit FA even 3-4 years prior, but ended up scrambling for a job at the end of the winter. The market and game changed pretty dramatic in the last 5 or so years. 1 SoPas Angel reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoPas Angel 430 Posted August 15 13 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said: Its not just Boras. There have been other players in recent years that would have been huge paydays if they hit FA even 3-4 years prior, but ended up scrambling for a job at the end of the winter. The market and game changed pretty dramatic in the last 5 or so years. Remember Howie turning down the QO from the Dodgers before the '16 season? I believe it was around 16-17M... and then he ended up signing with them anyway for 2/20. 1 ten ocho recon scout reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RBM 1,004 Posted August 15 4 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said: This is interesting as it relates to Cole. You are hearing more and more stories like this from Boras clients. Martín Maldonado also turned down 2/16 from the Astros, ended up with 1/3 or something from KC and fired Boras. Gio Gonzalez was asking for 2/24 in December and ended up with 1/3 in May. Will this make Boras more likely to settle for a lower number earlier than he had his sights set on? I’ve thought about this also but ultimately the players say yes or no. I do think we may see some Boras clients say yes sooner because they know what happened with Mous, Maldonado and others. Who knows if it will be part of Cole’s process. He is going to be in demand so Boras can probably string it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMVol 2,167 Posted August 15 5 minutes ago, RBM said: I’ve thought about this also but ultimately the players say yes or no. I do think we may see some Boras clients say yes sooner because they know what happened with Mous, Maldonado and others. Who knows if it will be part of Cole’s process. He is going to be in demand so Boras can probably string it out. I think reading the market is what I want my agent to do....Waiting obviously worked for Harper and Machado but they were the elite guys last year and anybody could have read that....it didn't work with Moose or Keuchel or Machete....If I'm not an elite guy, I want an agent that reads the market and tells me the truth... You are right that the player ultimately makes the decision but I tend to think that Boras pushes all his clients to wait and squeeze every last dollar out there...it's just his thing...I don't think it is a coincidence that his guys get caught waiting too long....But, that is just my thought.....I would put more weight on what @Jeff Fletcher says.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites