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The age of our rotation

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2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I think this gets glossed over due to expectations as we think that every time a player is called up they're going to hit the ground running.  

I was looking up some stats as it relates to age for Jose Suarez and realized a couple things about not only Suarez, but Barria, Canning and Sandoval.  

Jose Suarez is the second youngest player in mlb to start a game this year.  The youngest is Koby Allard who has started all of one game.  Saurez is also the 4th youngest pitcher to throw in a major league game this year.  

Patrick Sandoval is the 3rd youngest player in mlb to make a start this year.  

Jaime Barria is the 4th youngest

Griffin Canning is the 5th youngest.  

that's not a misprint.   The Angels have 4 of the 5 youngest starters in the majors right now.  

I was absolutely astounded by this.  

But I think this should give us some perspective and help all of us with our expectations.  It may also make for a good article by @Jeff Fletcher to do a historical comparison about rotation age and/or debuts of pitchers in Halo history.  

 

I'll let the man they call Spock explain my sentiments on this post:

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40 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

We've literally been talking about it since Skaggs passed away.

Ohtani + someone like Cole + another starter to replace Skaggs = "Rock solid rotation"

He said sober. Are you sauced?

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12 minutes ago, kj_maestro said:

If this isn’t evidence we’ve been rebuilding, I don’t know what is

If we can get 2 starters, 1 solid catcher, 1 solid bullpen arm, find a way to retire Pujols and trade Calhoun we could be in great shape. I’m still concerned about Simmons and Upton who are both showing decline. 

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2 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

If we can get 2 starters, 1 solid catcher, 1 solid bullpen arm, find a way to retire Pujols and trade Calhoun we could be in great shape. I’m still concerned about Simmons and Upton who are both showing decline. 

Wtf haha

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Let's look into this idea of a solid rotation by looking at the rotation of the teams currently set to make the playoffs.  We'll simply be using non-advanced metrics to analyze these teams.

Yankees: Tanaka - 4.93 ERA, Happ - 5.48 ERA, German - 4.05 ERA, Paxton - 4.40 ERA, Sabathia - 4.78 ERA.

Rays: Morton - 2.90 ERA, Chirinos - 3.62 ERA, Snell - 4.28 ERA, Stanek - 3.40 ERA, Glasgow - 1.86 ERA, Yarbrough - 3.90 ERA. (To be fair, entering next year they'll have Morton, McKay, Glasnow and Snell which won't be fair)

Twins: Berrios - 3.24 ERA, Gibson - 4.24 ERA, Perez - 4.80 ERA, Odorizzi - 3.44 ERA, Pineda - 4.15 ERA. (After this season, the vast majority of this staff will be free agents, so in order to remain competitive, the Twins will need to spend a lot of money)

Indians: Bieber - 3.28 ERA, Plesac - 3.13 ERA, Clevinger - 3.02 ERA (Kluber and Carrasco are on the mend). 

Astros: Verlander - 2.68 ERA, Cole - 2.87 ERA, Miley - 2.99 ERA, Peacock - 4.13 ERA, Greinke - 3.08 ERA. 

Entering 2020, the Yankees rotation appears to be in shambles, and they'll need to make some hard decisions, swallow some money and spend some more to try and field a better team.  Their offense is already really good, and so is the bullpen, but that rotation doesn't look playoff caliber in any way.  The Rays on the other hand look like the most dangerous team in baseball in 2020, if they can stay healthy.  The Twins don't appear to have much of a future in the rotation, so again, they'll need to spend hundreds of millions just to keep up, which I don't see happening.  The Indians rotation has been, and likely will remain elite for a couple more years, but much of it is dependent upon health.  Carrasco is fighting leukemia, Kluber has a ton of mileage on his arm, Clevinger had the back injury.  The Astros are losing Cole and Miley, but they've got enough young guns in AAA and the bullpen to not replace them as much as fill the gap. 

Now if the Angels can enter 2020 with something like Ohtani, Cole, Wheeler, Canning and Heaney, their rotation would be better than the Yankees and Twins to be sure.  Depending on the Indians health, it may keep up with them.  Depending on the Astros replacement arms stepping up, it may be able to keep pace with them as well.  The Rays....I don't see anyone keeping pace with them.

The end result here, is that if the Angels spend some serious money, which by all accounts that is a strong likelihood, then they will indeed have a strong rotation.  One with upside, and a ton of depth with Barria, Sandoval and Suarez in AAA.

 

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4 hours ago, Calzone 2 said:

If we can get 2 starters, 1 solid catcher, 1 solid bullpen arm, find a way to retire Pujols and trade Calhoun we could be in great shape. I’m still concerned about Simmons and Upton who are both showing decline. 

There is no way they can trade Calhoun this season, and during the off season they would have to pick up the option to have a chance to trade him.  I think most of us know that isn't going to happen.

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5 hours ago, Calzone 2 said:

If we can get 2 starters, 1 solid catcher, 1 solid bullpen arm, find a way to retire Pujols and trade Calhoun we could be in great shape. I’m still concerned about Simmons and Upton who are both showing decline. 

This. Everybody is focusing on pitching and pitching only. The line of thinking is that if the Angels have a competent rotation next season that they’ll be in the playoffs. But that’s assuming the offense performs just the same. 

Pujols will be worse, Calhoun could easily become a .150 hitter again, Melvin is in decline, etc. If it’s not the pitching it could very well be the offense next year if their expectation is to get the same production from Pujols, Calhoun (or Adell) and for Upton to hit to his career averages. Mark my words. 

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8 hours ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

This. Everybody is focusing on pitching and pitching only. The line of thinking is that if the Angels have a competent rotation next season that they’ll be in the playoffs. But that’s assuming the offense performs just the same. 

Pujols will be worse, Calhoun could easily become a .150 hitter again, Melvin is in decline, etc. If it’s not the pitching it could very well be the offense next year if their expectation is to get the same production from Pujols, Calhoun (or Adell) and for Upton to hit to his career averages. Mark my words. 

Who the F*ck is Melvin?

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19 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Who the F*ck is Melvin?

It’s something people say when they mean Justin, because get this, they think it is funny, pretty great huh?  I mean the first time I read it I was like, “omg, that is the single funniest thing, I have ever read”.  

Also people say Melvin instead of calling him the N-word.  Thanks Obama.  

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Just now, Stradling said:

It’s something people say when they mean Justin, because get this, they think it is funny, pretty great huh?  I mean the first time I read it I was like, “omg, that is the single funniest thing, I have ever read”.  

Also people say Melvin instead of calling him the N-word.  Thanks Obama.  

I think it's because his brother's name is Melvin (formerly BJ Upton) who isn't very good so that's where the 'comedy' comes from.  That he's as bad as Melvin don't call me BJ.  

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4 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I think it's because his brother's name is Melvin (formerly BJ Upton) who isn't very good so that's where the 'comedy' comes from.  That he's as bad as Melvin don't call me BJ.  

Yes

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14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

It’s something people say when they mean Justin, because get this, they think it is funny, pretty great huh?  I mean the first time I read it I was like, “omg, that is the single funniest thing, I have ever read”.  

Also people say Melvin instead of calling him the N-word.  Thanks Obama.  

 

10 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I think it's because his brother's name is Melvin (formerly BJ Upton) who isn't very good so that's where the 'comedy' comes from.  That he's as bad as Melvin don't call me BJ.  

Sigh....

I guess adults acting this way is the new normal.

Thanks.

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Just now, eligrba said:

 

Sigh....

I guess adults acting this way is the new normal.

Thanks.

I have no idea if they are adults, one still believes in UFOs and they both believe Melvin is funny.  

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Just now, Stradling said:

Yes

I mean come on.  You don't piss yourself every time someone calls him Melvin?   

If they made a Scioscia Lasagna joke in the same post, I might lose it completely.  

oh.  my sides.  

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24 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I have no idea if they are adults, one still believes in UFOs and they both believe Melvin is funny.  

 

23 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I mean come on.  You don't piss yourself every time someone calls him Melvin?   

If they made a Scioscia Lasagna joke in the same post, I might lose it completely.  

oh.  my sides.  

My comment was not directed at you two.

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28 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I have no idea if they are adults, one still believes in UFOs and they both believe Melvin is funny.  

UFO's must exist for Bigfoot to get around.

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