2019 Bullpen

[T.G.]

[Angelsfan1984]

23 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Since guys are garbage after two weeks, I’m glad to see AW is consistent both ways. 

If people aren't playing well they are garbage, if they are playing well they are GOAT's....pretty simple logic Jeff. FANatic's is the name of the game.

[Angel Oracle]

Back on topic, three more scoreless innings and only one baserunner allowed, the pen's WHIP is now under 1.00 and has still only allowed 3 out of 19 inherited runners to score.

[Angelsfan1984]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

Back on topic, three more scoreless innings and only one baserunner allowed, the pen's WHIP is now under 1.00 and has still only allowed 3 out of 19 inherited runners to score.

[Duren, Duren]

Last night was a blueprint about winning games with this kind of lineup. Excellent pitching, good defense, timely hitting.

Even without the Boar blast the team looked ready to finish with a 3-2 win. The insurance was nice, but the three relievers were mostly in control and made few mistakes. Allen's velocity is edging up, and he seems to be putting last year behind him. The other two guys were hitting the mid to high nineties consistently and used their other pitches strategically well. The Brewers are a very good and smart hitting team and mistakes were held to a minimum last night.

If the starters keep going for a solid six I think the bullpen will settle in with defined roles and get into a rhythm where they can gain some more confidence and momentum. Of course, chaos can ensue at any time, and it will periodically. But the starters are the key. 

Without Trout being Superman at the plate last night we saw how this team has to scratch out runs. RBI's by committee. No one else is hot enough to be confident in at the moment. But by battling through each at bat anyone can be a hero at any time. One key timely hit can justify three or four unproductive at bats. It's not about individual stats, but situational performance. 

I try to focus more on who makes important plays rather than on the abstractions of the math, stats, analytics. Who fails or succeeds in clutch situations. At bat, on the mound,  in the field and on the base paths. 

Last night was a perfect example of how the Angels need to play when Trout or anyone else isn't dominating.

 

 

[IIIII]

2 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Since guys are garbage after two weeks, I’m glad to see AW is consistent both ways. 

Based on history the offense atm (until people come back) is largely garbage. The bullpen has the potential to be be elite consistently. I should have clarified. 

[Chuck]

Remember that Jose Alvarez for Luis Garcia trade?

Garcia: 1.50 ERA, Alvarez 20.25 ERA and gave up the game losing 3-run bomb to Juan Soto tonight in the 10th. 

[arch stanton]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Remember that Jose Alvarez for Luis Garcia trade?

Garcia: 1.50 ERA, Alvarez 20.25 ERA and gave up the game losing 3-run bomb to Juan Soto tonight in the 10th. 

Throw in David Robertson's suckage and it's apparent that Klentak and Epp don't use the same criteria when evaluating relievers

[Docwaukee]

Garcia has shown good stuff.  The big nit was going to be whether he threw strikes and so far so good.  

I don't get the Bard infatuation.  He reminds me of Mike Kohn where the arm just doesn't translate.  

[Angel Oracle]

Bard has the first poor relief appearance by a Halos reliever in a while.  NG to allow TWO HRs

Never fear though, one baserunner allowed in three innings by Bedrosian, Garcia, and Allen.

Still a sub 1.00 WHIP from the pen so far?

[Inside Pitch]

5 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Garcia has shown good stuff.  The big nit was going to be whether he threw strikes and so far so good.  

I don't get the Bard infatuation.  He reminds me of Mike Kohn where the arm just doesn't translate.  

At least with Kohn the argument could be made the Angels never got to see his best stuff as he was hurt while still in the minors and the stuff never fully came back.   

Bard's one of those guys that should be wrecking house and just doesn't.

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Bard's one of those guys that should be wrecking house and just doesn't.

I think he should be working construction, too 

[Jeff Fletcher]

5 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

At least with Kohn the argument could be made the Angels never got to see his best stuff as he was hurt while still in the minors and the stuff never fully came back.   

Bard's one of those guys that should be wrecking house and just doesn't.

Bard has pitched 17.1 innings in the majors.

He also has three years of options.

[Taylor]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Bard has pitched 17.1 innings in the majors.

17.1 innings is more than enough to evaluate a player's entire career.

[Angel Oracle]

7 minutes ago, Taylor said:

17.1 innings is more than enough to evaluate a player's entire career.

To be fair, didn't Donkey at first struggle when he started off with the Halos in 2002?    That it wasn't until June 2002 that it started to click for him? 

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Bard has pitched 17.1 innings in the majors.

He also has three years of options.

Yeah, it's too early to write him off completely despite my comment but, mostly I was trying to say there may have been a reason why Kohn failed to play to play up to his minor league track record.

Three years of options is nice indeed.

[stormngt]

In his entire mlb career Bard pitched I. 12 games.  He has pitch in 17 and a third innings.  Take out his one bad game  against Boston and he would have approximately 3.00 era.  I have to say the jury still has to be out on him.  One bad game against a great hitting  team should not determine his career.  Let's see when he gets more games under his belt.

 

[Stradling]

So far this bullpen has been amazing and deep. Last night against a good team they used Robles to close it out.   Where is he on your list for possible closers on this team?  At best third behind Buttrey and Allen, maybe fourth if you include Garcia, hell some would include Justin Anderson as well.  This also means for the time being there’s no reason to rush Middleton back.