A certain freshman congresswoman

[Taylor]

No offense, yk.

[Lou]

I like jessecrall.  

so, jesse, how is/was your relationship with your father?

[Stradling]

8 hours ago, jessecrall said:

It's right because of some combination of driving on roads, using public schools, supporting military interventions, flying on airlines that you absolutely did not want self-regulated, calling the police, having firefighters contain an inferno moving toward your neighborhood etc etc etc. If you want to complain about HOW your tax dollars are being spent, by all means do. But I feel ZERO sympathy that you only got 57% of your precious bonus. Most rich people got lucky. They didn't earn jack. I say this as someone who's made good money and been flat broke. It had nothing to do with me, my skills, my intellect or lack thereof. Mygyn Kylly made more money than everyone on this board put together for being terrible at her job so she can blow it on a luxe penthouse and pass more money onto her spoiled kids who will start life 6 steps ahead of the average person because Mommy insisted that Santa was black once and became a media rock star. If my sentiments sound like class warfare, that's only because they are.

Sorry but fuck all this.  So I use roads more than the next guy?  Call the police more than the next guy?  I can almost guarantee you I use the cops a lot less than people making less money.  Use public schools more?  Have a house in a fire risk area more than the next guy?  It’s all bullshit.   Also stop being jealous.  “Your precious bonus”.  There’s money out there to be made, go do it. 

[Stradling]

Also @jessecrall when you call @Adam a homophobe it shows your ignorance.  He’s been gay with Brandon for years.   Go back to being a jealous jackass instead of being wrong about Adams sexual preference. 

[Lou]

i don't use public schools, have never called the police or fire department and drive about 3,000 miles/yr. 

i should get huge tax breaks. 

[Adam]

Love the gays! Not a fan of authoritarians

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Adam said:

Love the gays! Not a fan of authoritarians

what do you have against people who like writers?

[mtangelsfan]

Terms like "distribution of wealth" "fair share" and "too much money" are just another way to say "we want to steal your money"

[Adam]

It is the opportunity for one group of people to punish another group. The 70% thing isn’t even the point.

it goes from 15% to 25% for a lot of middle class folks. And 15% is a shit load of fucking theft.

Democracy is oppression.

[mtangelsfan]

Let's key on the "too much money" comment.

How much is too much?  How about cars, houses and yachts.  Should we limit how big they can be?  

Bill Gates has done a hell of a lot of good with his money.  It is interesting to me that some people believe that they can spend his money wiser then he does.

[Lou]

23 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

It is interesting to me that some people believe that they can spend his money wiser then he does.

especially when 95% can't seem to handle their own 

[Adam]

As long as they didn’t steal it who gives a crap

[m0nkey]

Poor people

[Lou]

1 minute ago, m0nkey said:

Poor people

like MLB free agents?

[yk9001]

7 hours ago, Taylor said:

This jessecrall dude has spunk. He's kind of like a more coherent yk.

yeah, I like him.  I was halfway through this thread, and he wrote pretty much what I was thinking, only he did it more coherently.

"Taxation is theft"

Apparently nobody on this  board uses any public services.  Or has kids who go to public schools.  Or non-private universities.  Or have kids with special needs.  Or drive on roads. Or highways.  Or have older parents who are sucking more out of social security and medicare than they ever dreamed of contributing.  This board is made up of the absolute most selfish sons of bitches I have ever seen.  All for them.

MAGA, bitches!

[Lou]

nobody here, as far as I know, is in the 0% tax bracket. 

[yk9001]

Don't know how many of you actually read the article I linked, but the freshman congresswoman, when talking about a 70% tax rate, is pulling one from the Trump playbook:  Say something that, on the surface, is completely outrageous, and as it is talked about more and more, it doesn't seem so outrageous.

Trump says Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing and nobody now bats an eye when we know Trump is a Russian asset.

[yk9001]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

nobody here, as far as I know, is in the 0% tax bracket. 

I'm sure none of the board heroes have ever utilized the earned income credit as well.

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

Don't know how many of you actually read the article I linked, but the freshman congresswoman, when talking about a 70% tax rate, is pulling one from the Trump playbook:  Say something that, on the surface, is completely outrageous, and as it is talked about more and more, it doesn't seem so outrageous.

Trump says Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing and nobody now bats an eye when we know Trump is a Russian asset.

 

[Adam]

22 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

yeah, I like him.  I was halfway through this thread, and he wrote pretty much what I was thinking, only he did it more coherently.

"Taxation is theft"

Apparently nobody on this  board uses any public services.  Or has kids who go to public schools.  Or non-private universities.  Or have kids with special needs.  Or drive on roads. Or highways.  Or have older parents who are sucking more out of social security and medicare than they ever dreamed of contributing.  This board is made up of the absolute most selfish sons of bitches I have ever seen.  All for them.

MAGA, bitches!

Aren't we essentially forced to use those things? Doesn't mean there isn't a better way to do all of that stuff.

[yk9001]

10 minutes ago, Adam said:

Aren't we essentially forced to use those things? Doesn't mean there isn't a better way to do all of that stuff.

yes, we could each build our own roads.  

[Lou]

out of all of those services listed, I only utilize public roads. In the last 9 months I've driven 2080 miles. 

i deserve a huge tax break. 

[mtangelsfan]

40 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

yeah, I like him.  I was halfway through this thread, and he wrote pretty much what I was thinking, only he did it more coherently.

"Taxation is theft"

Apparently nobody on this  board uses any public services.  Or has kids who go to public schools.  Or non-private universities.  Or have kids with special needs.  Or drive on roads. Or highways.  Or have older parents who are sucking more out of social security and medicare than they ever dreamed of contributing.  This board is made up of the absolute most selfish sons of bitches I have ever seen.  All for them.

MAGA, bitches!

Usage fees, sales tax are completely different animals.  I pay plenty in taxes and I really wouldn't have so much of a problem with it if the government was even somewhat responsible with the money.  Why anyone would be happy with a return of pennies on the dollar I have zero clue.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

i don't use public schools, have never called the police or fire department and drive about 3,000 miles/yr. 

i should get huge tax breaks. 

You may never have had a need to call the police or fire department, but you still benefit from their services.

[floplag]

11 hours ago, Stradling said:

I am far from rich, but I do make a good living.  I pay in federal taxes a ton each year.  Then when I do my taxes, it is never enough, so I pay more taxes.  This is with filing single and 0, while being married.  This is with having a large mortgage on a nice home.  This is with donating upwards to $20k a year to charity, maxing out my 401k and putting extra money into my NQD.  Hell I even pay a pretty big amount each month in alimony, which is actually my best write off.   I have never once, not once in my life thought, “well my tax dollars are being well spent”.  Never.  Not a single Facking time.  So no, I don’t agree with the Uber rich being taxed more.  Start by taxing the 50% that aren’t currently paying much if any income tax.  

No offense, but that is not the description of someone who isnt rich, youre view is skewed, i would wager your doing better than 99% of the people on this board if you can afford to donate 20K a year.  Id hate to think about what you would actually consider rich if you dont think you are based on the above.  

I do agree though that taxation needs to be fair and balanced.  How much a person makes isnt the issue, its how much each of us is expected to pay in taxes.  Flat tax makes more sense to me than literally any other proposal ive read, its fair, it makes sense.  The reason the uber rich get targeted is that it would have the largest impact. Taxing minimum wage folks more doesnt exactly gain much in terms of spendable capital but that also shouldnt remove them from the responsibility.  Not to mention the wealthy tend to be the ones that are taking advantage of the loopholes to get our of paying their fair share. 

11 hours ago, Stradling said:

Hoarding it, yea, that is a crock of shit.  They earned the money.  If you want more money go out an earn it.  Don’t shit on people who did just that.  

This isnt always the case, most of the wealthy i know made it the old fashioned way, inheritance.  Now many are also self made but those with the silly bank account values had a really nice head start from the family much more often than founding a monster start up.   Plus we all know its easy to make money if you have money.  The whole "go out and earn it" line is a complete crock and is frankly dismissive of those who work their ass of to make other people rich.