2020 Democratic Field

[UndertheHalo]

Our electoral system is dog shit.  You have to play the game as it is for now if you ever want to change anything. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Great response bud. I hope you get high fives from Adam and Blarg.

[St1ck]

20 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

@st1ckboy, what makes you think that a Bennett or like Liz Warren have more *achievable* policy goals then Sanders ? 

It doesn't say it on the link I'm providing, but he talked about it during one of the debates. His is more of an op-in system, rather than blowing up the current system. Is it more achievable, I don't know, that obviously depends on the make up big Congress. Doesn't matter anyway, because I think dude is polling at 1%

https://www.bennet.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/health-care

 

[UndertheHalo]

Just now, st1ckboy said:

It doesn't say it on the link I'm providing, but he talked about it during one of the debates. His is more of an op-in system, rather than blowing up the current system. Is it more achievable, I don't know, that obviously depends on the make up big Congress. Doesn't matter anyway, because I think dude is polling at 1%

https://www.bennet.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/health-care

 

I disagree with the idea that an opt in system is more desirable, but assuming that were true.  What makes you think that the obstacles that in the way of Medicare 4 all wouldn’t immediately fall into place for this other plan ?

the conservatives won’t meet you in the middle on this.  Or anything.  

[St1ck]

10 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

How do you get votes? 

You campaign. You run ads. You contact Putin. A guy like Bloomberg doesn't have a base of support. He just has a huge bank account. So regardless of whether anyone supports him or not, he gets to run ads for his campaign because he already had the money. 

Bernie gets to run ads because he has supporters. Supporters who made contributions because they want him to be President. Bernie has money. He could easily dip into his own wallet to increase his campaign funds, but he doesn't. Again, that doesn't make him a better person, it just means he's not using his wealth to get votes. 

What you "money is money" turds fail to understand is that whatever money has been donated to Bernie is going directly to his campaign. It is not, nor has it ever been, HIS money. Any talk of "luxurious spending" or bullshit like that is conjecture. "But he's using it to try to become President! He's using those funds for himself." I mean, unfortunately campaigns need money. It's the way it is. The more you have, the better your chances. But I'll argue he's using those donations for his supporters. They want him to be President. These are people donating their money because they believe in Sanders and think he will help make this country and therefore their lives, better. 

If Bernie becomes President and turns out to be just another selfish politician, then yeah. Fuck him and fuck any other "movement". But I don't think that's the case. 

Thank you, that was the point I was the point I was trying to make.

[tdawg87]

Just now, st1ckboy said:

Thank you, that was the point I was the point I was trying to make.

Well said.

[Lou]

10 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Great response bud. I hope you get high fives from Adam and Blarg.

me, too 

[St1ck]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I disagree with the idea that an opt in system is more desirable, but assuming that were true.  What makes you think that the obstacles that in the way of Medicare 4 all wouldn’t immediately fall into place for this other plan ?

the conservatives won’t meet you in the middle on this.  Or anything.  

I don't think it will immediately fall into place. I think it's the more realistic of the two though. I think everyone should have health insurance. Those that can't afford it, should have it provided for them. But we have to be realistic about it. Middle class guy in PA isn't going to want his health insurance that he gets from his employer fucked with.

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

me, too 

You can do the Eiffel Tower

[UndertheHalo]

6 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

I don't think it will immediately fall into place. I think it's the more realistic of the two though. I think everyone should have health insurance. Those that can't afford it, should have it provided for them. But we have to be realistic about it. Middle class guy in PA isn't going to want his health insurance that he gets from his employer fucked with.

I disagree very strongly with all of this.  

[St1ck]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

I disagree very strongly with all of this.  

Ok

[mtangelsfan]

34 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Also, all these guys you’re arguing with aren’t this thick.  They’re just all full of shit.  The moral superiority of not being beholden to a small number of hyper wealthy donors is self evident.  

I see the point you are making and in theory it is better.  Personally I would remove all funding and limit immensely what can be spent on campaigns.  However, in practice I don't think tour argument stands up.  The power and authority to get stuff done in DC is still entirely beholding to monies.  Any candidate once in office has to play ball or they won't get anything done.

not to mention that Bernie has been in office for decades, he has to be in bed with some big money.

[Adam]

23 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

 

not to mention that Bernie has been in office for decades, he has to be in bed with some big money.

Not really. He doesn’t do anything. He’s just a celebrity spreading a watered down version of a bad ideology

[UndertheHalo]

41 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Ok

I’m not trying to avoid the specifics of the topic, I just don’t have time right now to talk about it in detail with you.  I will. 

 

36 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I see the point you are making and in theory it is better.  Personally I would remove all funding and limit immensely what can be spent on campaigns.  However, in practice I don't think tour argument stands up.  The power and authority to get stuff done in DC is still entirely beholding to monies.  Any candidate once in office has to play ball or they won't get anything done.

not to mention that Bernie has been in office for decades, he has to be in bed with some big money.

I’m not going to claim that I know whether he’s ever been in bed with big money donors.  In this election cycle and the last I know that he has not . 

Edited November 23, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[St1ck]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’m not trying to avoid the specifics of the topic, I just don’t have time right now to talk about it in detail with you.  I will. 

 

 

Oh trust me, I'm good. I really had no desire to get into a debate about healthcare this morning. I didn't want to ignore your post though.

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Adam said:

Not really. He doesn’t do anything. He’s just a celebrity

Dude's been in politics for 40 years and has been a social activist since he was in college. But yeah, he's just a celebrity. He's like Trump, but socialism.

[Adam]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Dude's been in politics for 40 years and has been a social activist since he was in college. But yeah, he's just a celebrity. He's like Trump, but socialism.

Well he’s made a lot of money relative to his investment so it’s a good comparison

[Adam]

Social Activism is a big business! See Michael Moore

[Adam]

Sanders and Moore are no different than televangelists. Their self-righteousness and sense or moral superiority justify their riches 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Adam said:

Social Activism is a big business! See Michael Moore

Michael Moore is a fat sweaty Peter Griffin looking ass homo. Bernie was protesting against segregation and getting arrested for it. Michael Moore shouts in the general direction of a megaphone and wears a hat to cover up his greasy Boomer mom hair.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Adam said:

Sanders and Moore are no different than televangelists. Their self-righteousness and sense or moral superiority justify their riches 

Did Corky hack Adam's account because this is fucking retarded.

[tdawg87]

[Lou]

Bernie is . . . 

[tdawg87]

I liked that post just so I could unlike it.

[Adam]

23 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Did Corky hack Adam's account because this is fucking retarded.

They’re literally the same thing.

1. Use platform to tell likeminded people what they want to hear

2. Condemn those with different worldviews

3. Collect money, influence and power