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Finally a candidate that is dealing with something important to me.  

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When one uses the term open borders the most obvious understanding of that is that goods and people can flow freely with little supervision and basically no restriction or check.  When you travel between Nevada and California basically.  There are a few people(activists mostly) who do advocate for that on the international borders but they don’t hold any kind of substantial sway and the idea is not serious as a matter of policy to be pursued.  

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/11/07/joe-biden-policies-immigration-border-wall-433627
 

I don’t know if he’s for open borders.

"There will not be another foot of wall constructed on my administration, No. 1," Biden told National Public Radio last year. "I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it."

 

But some have issues with his potential use of technology.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-immigration-surveillance/tnamp/

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11 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I assumed it was always about international borders. 

There's supervision when you travel across state lines? 

No that’s what I’m saying.  There is not.  That represents open borders.  Immigration rules less strict than you’d like are not open borders.  

The reason that I sort of qualified it by saying “basically” and “little”  is because technically when you cross state borders you can be subject to like an agricultural inspection or ICE might stop you. 

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5 minutes ago, Tank said:

he also removed price controls on insulin and epi pens.

He stopped all of the recent Trump era executive orders while they’re reviewed until March.  The stuff around epi pens and insulin was more rhetoric than substance.  You’re characterizing this badly. 
 

Remains to be seen what they’ll do or if they’ll do anything at all but it’s ridiculous to frame it as a serious roll back of a broadly beneficial regulation.  

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5 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

It's pretty much the unofficial position of the democratic party. Find me a dem who has publicly stated a limitation they'd put on immigration. 

Plus they all raised their hands when asked if they would provide healthcare to illegals.

Might as well roll out the welcome mat.

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43 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

He stopped all of the recent Trump era executive orders while they’re reviewed until March.  The stuff around epi pens and insulin was more rhetoric than substance.  You’re characterizing this badly. 
 

Remains to be seen what they’ll do or if they’ll do anything at all but it’s ridiculous to frame it as a serious roll back of a broadly beneficial regulation.  

I understand the why, but I don't like it. 

Is insulin getting to the people who need it? That's all I care about. I don't know what impact this will have.

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Plus they all raised their hands when asked if they would provide healthcare to illegals.

Might as well roll out the welcome mat.

Exactly.. I'm not going to say that every democrat is pushing for pure open borders but none of will ever publicly articulate a limitation. This is a good example of that.

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2 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Another question I have for the left, have they forgotten that the Vice President is one of the most vile people on the planet?

Likely not but the demographic boxes she checks are more important.

 

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11 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

It's pretty much the unofficial position of the democratic party. Find me a dem who has publicly stated a limitation they'd put on immigration. 

There have been many policy proposals and none of them involve open borders.  
 

and why don’t we get Americans healthcare before we worry about who we’re keeping it away from.  

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4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Like it’s a ridiculous non sequitur.  Do the Canadians or any other western country with universal healthcare deny a foreign national medical care ? It’s a neither here nor there thing.  Nothing to do with immigration policy.  

Canada has stricter immigration laws than we do.  These two things are absolutely connected.  

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12 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

There have been many policy proposals and none of them involve open borders.  
 

and why don’t we get Americans healthcare before we worry about who we’re keeping it away from.  

Sure, but obviously that depends on your definition of open borders. All policy proposals will far short of abolishing the border as we know it, but every single one will represent a reduction in the current state of border enforcement no matter what that is. 

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1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Sure, but obviously that depends on your definition of open borders. All policy proposals will far short of abolishing the border as we know it, but every single one will represent a reduction in the current state of border enforcement no matter what that is. 

IMO the issue here is that we fixate on “border security” as a way to solve the immigration issue.  This is a problem that isn’t solved on the border.  

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2 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

IMO the issue here is that we fixate on “border security” as a way to solve the immigration issue.  This is a problem that isn’t solved on the border.  

This is definitely the weakest issue for Democrats.

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20 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I understand the why, but I don't like it. 

Is insulin getting to the people who need it? That's all I care about. I don't know what impact this will have.

The absurdly high cost of insulin, explained

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When inventor Frederick Banting discovered insulin in 1923, he refused to put his name on the patent. He felt it was unethical for a doctor to profit from a discovery that would save lives. Banting’s co-inventors, James Collip and Charles Best, sold the insulin patent to the University of Toronto for a mere $1. They wanted everyone who needed their medication to be able to afford it.

 

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