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7 hours ago, rafibomb said:

 

 

 

First time getting a look at Soriano's stuff and damn it's nasty.

That's what I've been telling people all year. Though the videos have illuminated a point which will make or break Soriano, which is keeping the ball down.

I remember watching Garrett Richards back in A Ball and he was about as similar to Soriano as you can be. Fastball sat 93-95, slider had ridiculous bend to it. He'd sprinkle in that nasty curve of his and occasionally throw a change up just to make sure the batter knew he had it. The fastball had run to it as well. But his problem, a bunch of interior hitters would tag him at times because he left the ball up way too often. He wasn't putting it in spots where the hitters couldn't do any damage.

And he eventually developed into quite a bit more as we know. He learned to live low in the zone, he added about 3 ticks to his fastball and found a grip whichresulted in a comical yet unpredictable amount of movement.

That's what I'm hoping for from Soriano. That he can add another couple mph as he develops, can keep the ball lower in the zone and can more predictably make his ball dance in and out of the zone.

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23 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

No. Garret never walked; Marsh will walk 70+ times a year in the bigs. Marsh is also faster and a much better athlete.

So Marsh is better prospect then Anderson, who was #2 prospect in 94 and 95 and is now all-time Angel leader in RBI's, HR's and doubles? Not arguing just trying to understand how good Marsh is now and projects to be. He's not Adell from what I read here but how good?

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2 minutes ago, ksangel said:

So Marsh is better prospect then Anderson, who was #2 prospect in 94 and 95 and is now all-time Angel leader in RBI's, HR's and doubles? Not arguing just trying to understand how good Marsh is now and projects to be. He's not Adell from what I read here but how good?

GA and Marsh just aren't really comparable. Marsh has far better plate discipline and is one of the best athletes in the system. 

That doesn't mean he will be a better player than GA was. We would be lucky if Marsh can put up a 25 career WAR. 

But does he have potential to be better? Absolutely. 

Adell is a legit top prospect and will absolutely be a successful Major league baseball player. Marsh isn't quite there but he's unquestionably the 2nd best prospect in our system. He has a little ways to go but he could end up being a good MLB regular himself.

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14 minutes ago, ksangel said:

So Marsh is better prospect then Anderson, who was #2 prospect in 94 and 95 and is now all-time Angel leader in RBI's, HR's and doubles? Not arguing just trying to understand how good Marsh is now and projects to be. He's not Adell from what I read here but how good?

Well, Marsh is probably the Angels' #2 prospect so there's a similarity there. But let's look at what GA was, to get a sense of comparison.

GA compiled 24 fWAR for his career with his two best seasons being 5.1 (which is into star territory) and 3.7 (good regular), five seasons in the 2-3 range (which is "solid regular"), and another five roughly replacement level. He hit .293/.324/.461 for his career, but a dead-average 100 wRC+. He was a pretty average player who just happened to play his entire career in an offense-inflated era, and accrued a lot of counting numbers due to longevity. I'm not bagging on him, I just think we need to see him for what he was.

Do I think Marsh can be that good? Yes, absolutely - and perhaps better due to better plate discipline, speed, and defense. I think a typical prime Marsh season will be somewhere in the 3-5 fWAR range, depending upon how his power develops. Best-case scenario and he's a 5+ fWAR player.

Adell is a more talented player and chances are will be better, but the gap between the two isn't as large as the hype would entail. But where Marsh is probably an good regular, maybe a borderline star and an outside chance at being a star, Adell is probably a borderline star, maybe a star, and a chance at being a superstar.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I like Chris Rodriguez's upside slightly better than Soriano's, but Soriano seems like a much safer pick. With Canning and Suarez graduated as prospects, I think its safe to say that Soriano is our current top pitching prospect.

I actually kinda see the opposite if Rodriguez stays healthy.  I guess that could be what you're referring to as far as being safer.  Soriano has #1 upside and Daniel Cabrera floor.  Whereas I think Rodriguez has the floor of a #3.  Still could be a #1 but I think Jose's raw stuff is better.  

I agree that right now Soriano is our #1 pitching prospect due to questions about Rodriguez health.  

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1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

I actually kinda see the opposite if Rodriguez stays healthy.  I guess that could be what you're referring to as far as being safer.  Soriano has #1 upside and Daniel Cabrera floor.  Whereas I think Rodriguez has the floor of a #3.  Still could be a #1 but I think Jose's raw stuff is better.  

I agree that right now Soriano is our #1 pitching prospect due to questions about Rodriguez health.  

I call Soriano safer because of Rodriguez's health concerns.

The control is a concern for Soriano, but if and when he figures it out, he could advance very quickly. With Rodriguez it feels like all he has to do is stay healthy and he will advance quickly as well.

 

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4 hours ago, Dochalo said:

that breaking ball is ridiculous.  

If he starts throwing the ball where he wants, he's gonna be a #1.  

Delivery looks a bit rushed.  

He's always kept his delivery fast.

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4 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I like Chris Rodriguez's upside slightly better than Soriano's, but Soriano seems like a much safer pick. With Canning and Suarez graduated as prospects, I think its safe to say that Soriano is our current top pitching prospect.

I've always been more partial to Soriano. He's remained healthier, shows the same velocity with a better breaking ball and more projectable frame. 

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Marsh’s .383 OBP is now second in the Southern League, just .003 behind the leader, at age 21.

Let that sink in.

Maybe 2020-ASB promotion to the parent club?

Leadoff guy here until the power develops?   Also has 17 for 22 SBs.

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19 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Marsh’s .383 OBP is now second in the Southern League, just .003 behind the leader, at age 21.

Let that sink in.

Maybe 2020-ASB promotion to the parent club?

Leadoff guy here until the power develops?   Also has 17 for 22 SBs.

I don’t think he’s far behind Adell, to be honest. And his skill set - defense, baserunning, decent discipline and contact, might even make him a hair more MLB-ready than Adell, purely from a “he can man an outfield slot defensively and whatever he contributes with the bat, great” stance than Adell. 

Goodwin’s strong play recently - and Hermosillo’s hot streak in AAA - has me hoping for a platoon of them both in RF to open 2020, with Adell and Marsh getting playing time in SLC. As soon as one is needed, bring either one up, based on need and performance. 

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I also like Brennon Lund as a 4th OF, and he will need to be added this winter to the 40 to be protected from the Rule 5, though it seems every year there are numerous 4th OFs eligible but few are taken. Jones will need to be added as well, and he could arguably fill a 4th OF role, at least defensively, as well as Lund.

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regarding that C-Rod Vs Soriano debate, first of all i would say both of them have a firm fastball, both live in mid 90s and can hit upper 90s, Soriano may have the better curve (which could be debatable), but Chris has the better arsenal. He has the potential to have 3 plus pitches, while Soriano had the chance to develop 2 plus pitches. Health is the biggest issue, you can say for both, but more for Chris. But if he can stay healthy, their isn't much he needs to work and can easy fly thru the system. While Soriano, is still a project, his command is still is an issue, and if he can't drop his BB rate to 3, i don't see him being a starter. 

 

I also don't think Marsh is far behind Adell, he could potentially get called up to AAA any moment and be in line for the bigs in 2020. Adell has the potential to be a superstar ( a 4-5 war) , while Marsh has a chance to be an all-star.

 

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I think at the very least, simply being able to have debates (Marsh vs. Adell, Rodriguez vs. Soriano, Maitan vs. Adams, Hernandez vs. Bradish) is so much better than having Sean Newcomb....and that's it.  I mean shoot, we're even seeing the major league versions of these debates manifest in Fletcher vs. Rengifo, and Thaiss vs. Walsh.

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55 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I think at the very least, simply being able to have debates (Marsh vs. Adell, Rodriguez vs. Soriano, Maitan vs. Adams, Hernandez vs. Bradish) is so much better than having Sean Newcomb....and that's it.  I mean shoot, we're even seeing the major league versions of these debates manifest in Fletcher vs. Rengifo, and Thaiss vs. Walsh.

Really goes how far we’ve come in four years. Not just four prospects...four prospects vs. other prospects.

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4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Marsh’s .383 OBP is now second in the Southern League, just .003 behind the leader, at age 21.

Let that sink in.

Maybe 2020-ASB promotion to the parent club?

Leadoff guy here until the power develops?   Also has 17 for 22 SBs.

I see some similarities to Kirk Gibson’s game in Marsh’s development.

 

 

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