Bottom of the Pitching staff

[Hubs]

I posted this in another thread, but just wanted to reiterate in its own.

In 15.4% of 2018 Angels games (25), 9 starters and bullpen games starters threw just 5% of our total innings (73.2), and allowed 9.7% of the overall runs allowed (70). And one of those bullpen games was actually a shut out, lol. Take that one out and it's even worse.

The point is, the bottom of the staff was terrible in 2018.

Shoemaker runs allowed (in the game, not just by starter): 3, 1, 3, 5, 21, 4

McGuire runs allowed (in the game, not just by starter): 8, 3, 5, 4

Despaigne: 8, 7, 6, 5

Lamb: 9, 6, 5

Cole: 8, 8

JC Ramirez: 7,6

N. Ramirez: 3

Bridwell: 9

Johnson: 0

25 games = 144 runs allowed: 5.76 runs per start.

And Tropeano should really be in this group too, but he pitched more innings than Ohtani, so technically he was our 6th starter, and Ohtani the 7th, but he was really, really bad at times too: 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 6, 5, 5, 2, 2, 2, 1... 68 runs allowed in his 14 starts: 4.86 runs per start

The other 6 had some bad games where they got killed or left early or a BP guy came in late and gave up a bunch of runs.This isn't always the starters fault, it happens to everyone.

Yet the Angels had 50 games where they allowed 6 runs or more as a staff and the record in those games was 8-42. 

If they allowed 5 runs it was 5-14.

If they allowed 4 runs or fewer their record was 67-26.

They clearly need pitching AND hitting, but just replacing the worst guys on the bottom of the staff, will go a long way, not to mention the crappy pen arms.

 

[Hubs]

In Richards' 16 starts, they allowed 80 runs. 5 runs per start.

In Ohtani's 10 it was 40. 4 runs per start

In Pena's 17 it was 68. 4 runs per start

In Barria's 26 it was 101, 3.88 runs per start

In Skaggs 24 it was 103, 4.29 runs per start

In Heaney's 30 it was 131, 4.36 runs per start

 

 

[eligrba]

Has Eppler seen this data?

[Broad Street]

That's for the whole game right? Not sure why singling out the starters but putting the runs scored for the entire game

[Dtwncbad]

I enjoyed this data.

But I believe the smart move is to add a top half of the rotation starter that pushes these rest down.

So I will also repeat what I said elsewhere.  Heaney and Skaggs as #1 and #2 isn't very comfortable.  They are themselves a stretch for those assignments but more importantly there are too many vacancies behind them that then get filled with the kinds of pitchers that simply allow too many runs.

Heaney and Skaggs as #3 and #4 is very comfortable.

[Hubs]

4 hours ago, Kody Mac said:

That's for the whole game right? Not sure why singling out the starters but putting the runs scored for the entire game

Starters ultimately control the number of runs given up. If you last 5 IP then the relievers give you 4 IP. And they have plenty of opportunities to give up runs. If you last 9 Ip then the relievers don’t pitch an inning. 

But yeah it’s not always fair to tack on relievers runs given to the starters, but in a lot of games the Angels were down big and down big early. I’d have to look at each game to see why the team did what it did and who was responsible to see any trends...but to see a 67-26 in games where they allowed 4 runs or less and seeing that the relievers pitched basically 10-15% more of the innings than they should’ve, leads me to believe we need starters that pitch deeper into games and also need offense.

[Angelsjunky]

The thread title could refer to a very different topic.

[Angelsjunky]

But it is good data, so I'll offer a serious response. This also seems to be the case with the lineup over the last few years: poor bench and AAA depth, yielding some truly atrocious numbers by fill-in bench players.

All of the guys listed, with the exception of Shoemaker and Ramirez, weren't expected to start games in 2018, but they did so due to injuries to Ohtani, Richards, Skaggs, and Tropeano - not to mention Meyer.

So there are three components:

1) The quality of the starting rotation.

2) The health of the starting rotation.

3) Rotation depth (AAA mostly).

The quality was there to start in 2018, but not the health and the depth was pretty weak, or mediocre at best (it seemed weaker than it was due to the amount of injuries).

As of now, the 2019 outlook looks both better and worse. Worse because no Ohtani or Richards, and no Shoemaker; better because Heaney has established a year of consistency, Skaggs hopefully is building stamina, and the AAA depth now includes better pitchers like Canning, Suarez, maybe Smith and eventually Sandoval. We can also hope that Tropeano is healthy and finds his better #4 self.