Which team is more disappointing? Angels or Dodgers

[rageous]

Angels have a slightly worse record at 17-27 and the second worst in the AL with over 127 million dollar payroll.

Dodgers have a 17-25 record and tied for the second worst in the NL and also possesses the highest payroll in the major league with over 220 million dollars.

[AZMike]

Angels have a slightly worse record at 17-27 and the second worst in the AL with over 127 million dollar payroll.

Dodgers have a 17-25 record and tied for the second worst in the NL and also possesses the highest payroll in the major league with over 220 million dollars.

 

Angels. Not even remotely close.

 

Angels have far more future dollars committed to plays in the late 30's than the Dodgres do (Dodgers don't have any money committed to players only than 35 y/o IIRC), and came into this season with a much shorter window to win of about 3 more years before the Hamilton / Pujols millstones start to sink the team.

 

Dodgers also have a lot more revenue to be able to keep spending their way out of a jam I'm afraid the Angels are stuck with the team they have.  

[rageous]

Also ESPN rates the Angels chance at making the playoffs at 4.2% while they rate the Dodgers chances at 3.1%.

[rageous]

Angels. Not even remotely close.

 

Angels have far more future dollars committed to plays in the late 30's than the Dodgres do (Dodgers don't have any money committed to players only than 35 y/o IIRC), and came into this season with a much shorter window to win of about 3 more years before the Hamilton / Pujols millstones start to sink the team.

 

Dodgers also have a lot more revenue to be able to keep spending their way out of a jam I'm afraid the Angels are stuck with the team they have.  

They may be younger but Kemp and Ethier is underperforming as much as Pujols and Hamilton.

[AZMike]

They may be younger but Kemp and Ethier is underperforming as much as Pujols and Hamilton.

While true, I'd wager a young player is a lot more likely to make a comeback later this year or even in future years compared to  Pujols/Hamilton. 

[rageous]

I don't think Dodgers have much flexibility in future payrolls.

Kemp is signed for 6 more years, Ethier is signed for 4 more years, Crawford is signed for 4 more years, Adrian Gonzalez for 5 more years, Greinke for 5 more years, and they will have to give $200+ for Kershaw.

[Chuck]

Dodgers in a landslide. 

 

With that sick payroll, they have NO EXCUSE to be where they're at. 

 

Especially when they have a true #1.

 

But, like the Angels, the Dodgers too have had their fair share of injuries. 

[AZMike]

 

I don't think Dodgers have much flexibility in future payrolls.

Kemp is signed for 6 more years, Ethier is signed for 4 more years, Crawford is signed for 4 more years, Adrian Gonzalez for 5 more years, Greinke for 5 more years, and they will have to give $200+ for Kershaw.

 

 

 

 

 

My guess is they extend Kershaw after the 2014 season, then dump one of their least productive contract in a Vernon-Wells style trade with payments structured to help them get under the luxury tax cutoff in 2015 (when most of the contract from the Boston trade go off the books) to reset the penalty rates.

 

Fact is though they have significantly higher revenues and likely greater willingness than the Angels to live over the luxury tax for a period of time. 

[krAbs]

i think the dodgers just because they had a more solid team coming in. they had offence and pitching, and there didn't seem to be any way they could screw it up. at least with the angels, we knew that there was a chance the ship would go down with our pitching.

[austin724]

I pick the Dodgers.  They got off to a decent start, few games over .500, and are now just as bad as the Angels. The Angels got off to a 2-8 start.

[gotbeer]

They both suck.  Along with the Lakers and Clippers and Ducks.  Where has the world come to where So Cal bragging rights are coming down to the Kings and Galaxy.  

[rageous]

Dodgers in a landslide. 

 

With that sick payroll, they have NO EXCUSE to be where they're at. 

 

Especially when they have a true #1.

 

But, like the Angels, the Dodgers too have had their fair share of injuries. 

I am not sure how they can be that bad having Kershaw go every 5 games.

He's having 4th best season by a pitcher ever so far if he can keep it up.

[Ohtaniland]

Dodgers in a landslide. 

 

With that sick payroll, they have NO EXCUSE to be where they're at. 

 

Especially when they have a true #1.

 

But, like the Angels, the Dodgers too have had their fair share of injuries.

Chuck, we have NO EXCUSE to be where we are at. We also have a sick payroll compared to some of the teams that are kicking our ASS.

[mancini79]

There was a lot of criticism when the Dodgers made the deal with the Red Sox. Crawford and Beckett were huge question marks. When the Angels signed Pujols and then Hamilton, nobody predicted they would be this bad. Angels have been a larger disappointment. But there is no winner in this poll.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Angels. Not even remotely close.

 

Angels have far more future dollars committed to plays in the late 30's than the Dodgres do (Dodgers don't have any money committed to players only than 35 y/o IIRC), and came into this season with a much shorter window to win of about 3 more years before the Hamilton / Pujols millstones start to sink the team.

 

Dodgers also have a lot more revenue to be able to keep spending their way out of a jam I'm afraid the Angels are stuck with the team they have.

???

Gonzalez. Crawford. Kemp. Ethier....none of them are spring chickens. Hamilton is maybe 2 years older than each of those guys. Pujols is the only 'old man' we have here. Grienke and cj are about the same age.

I like agon a lot, but do you think he's worth the contract he signes, with becket and crawfords money thrown in to get him? Not to mention they haven't locked up kershaw yet (which they will). At that point you're looking at a potential 250 million dollar payroll....for a team that most should have known wasn't very good.

I envy their pitching. But their offense is basically the same core that was a ket down in boston, added to a downsloping ethier and a one monster year/5 average to good years kemp. And that offense, sans ramirez, is locked in for another 5 years.

They will be very old in about 2-3 years. And whatever money they have above us, they will use towards eating contracts to aquire new pieces.

I think you're being over emotional because our team sucks. But the dodgers are in the same spot (for almpst 100 million more).

[Pbonetheman]

Angels are the bigger disappointment for me as an Angels fan, but I feel Dodgers are the bigger disappointment for all of baseball. This whole new blue is playing like the same old crap of the McCourt era. I'm sure the investors are thrilled with their product. 

 

The real question is which one of these teams will somewhat salvage their season? 

[Punk]

Dodgers.

 

I think they have a better team.

[SoWhat]

What happened to A-Gon's power? I remember him hitting 40 a year while playing in Petco. Seems like his power disappeared.

[Ohtaniland]

The Dodgers are worth $1.6 Billion so they're not worried about payroll.

[tj_]

I think the Angels are more disappointing just because the NL West seems so much weaker this year. The Dodgers at 7 games back, don't have as much of a hill to climb.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

What happened to A-Gon's power? I remember him hitting 40 a year while playing in Petco. Seems like his power disappeared.

That's true. At least he has 4 HR's, he's hitting for a high average and has a good OBP (.331/.387/.481/.868). Kemp only has 1 HR and he's only hitting .266/.312/..335/.648.

[Sully151]

I have not liked the Dodgers since I was a kid and their games were on instead of the Brady Bunch.

I couldn't care less about what is happening to them.

So I voted Angels.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Dodgers in a landslide. 

 

With that sick payroll, they have NO EXCUSE to be where they're at. 

 

Especially when they have a true #1.

 

But, like the Angels, the Dodgers too have had their fair share of injuries. 

 

I can't argue with any of that. The Dodgers took on a ton of payroll in the trade with Boston, and they added more with the Greinke signing. On paper, at least, their rotation should be much better than ours, as should their bullpen. They are getting no more bang for a lot more bucks. While I agree that the Pujols contract in particular does not bode well for the future, the Dodgers obviously looked to increase the gap between them and their neighbors to the south with all the additions. The results have been about the same.

[Brent Maguire]

Hard to say whose more disappointing. Dodgers have gotten absolutely nothing from Kemp and Ethier like the Hamilton and Pujols. Injuries have hit both teams so there are some similar aspects. Obviously, their humungous payroll makes it a little easier to vote for them. 

[Blarg]

I am not dissapointed at all with the Dodgers performance this season.