sigh... Trout, Harper, Philly

[floplag]

https://theathletic.com/670243/2018/11/23/stark-bryce-harper-and-mike-trout-together-in-philly-someday-its-not-crazy/

For those who wonder why some of us think things like winnings and the next year or two matter, were not the only ones thinking stuff like this.
I'm not looking to start the whole argument again but it isnt something many of us just pull out of our rears when notable baseball media are having the same thoughts.
So many players we hear so often about  playing closer to home when we read their free agency preferences, its hard to ignore.
 

[jordan]

It’s a slow off season.  Ken, and his friends, need some click bait. 

[jordan]

Just now, jordan said:

It’s a slow off season.  Ken, and his friends, need some click bait. 

Jayson Stark in this matter.  I saw the tweet from Rosenthal sharing this article.  

[Vlad27Trout27]

I just feel in 2 years time, we'll  have a better chance to  put a team on the  field than the Phils. 

[Angel Oracle]

And the fans in Philly aren't NEARLY as forgiving as Halos fans are.

We don't boo home grown HOFers (Mike Schmidt) or Santa Claus.

[mulwin444]

Sounds like a slow-offseason sports journalistic circle-jerk...naturally the pessimists would gleefully latch on to its premise.

[Blarg]

From the article.

Williams and DiMaggio never played together. 

Not quite true, they were on the same All Star teams. They were almost part of a trade for each other. The trade would have gone through but the Yankees wouldn't add in an unproven kid that played catcher in the minors. That short, pudgy kid won more MVPs than Williams, as many as DiMaggio and more World Series rings than the two combined. 

Sometime the best trade is one you that you work hard not to make. Sounds like something that catcher would have said.  

[Docwaukee]

Spending your prospect currency to win now and leaving nothing in the tank for the bulk of when trout would be here for his extension almost guarantees that he doesn’t stay. But let’s win now!  Bully!!

Actually, We’re going to find out very soon about the importance of going all out to win so we can keep trout. 

If Eppler stays conservative then I think we have our answer. 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

https://theathletic.com/670243/2018/11/23/stark-bryce-harper-and-mike-trout-together-in-philly-someday-its-not-crazy/

For those who wonder why some of us think things like winnings and the next year or two matter, were not the only ones thinking stuff like this.
I'm not looking to start the whole argument again but it isnt something many of us just pull out of our rears when notable baseball media are having the same thoughts.
So many players we hear so often about  playing closer to home when we read their free agency preferences, its hard to ignore.
 

Flop if playing close to home matters then we should be fine with Harper on the Angels, Arrenado on the Angels, Moustakas on the Angels, Kelly on the Angels.  Also Suzuki would be an Angel if this was a big factor for players.  We also are just a couple years away from signing Gerrit Cole, since he’s a Newport Beach guy  

The difference between Jason Stark and guys on here is he spews this speculation because he gets paid to get clicks.  Where guys on here are panicking based on their perception of the team which isn’t always unbiased.  

The best was the tweet immediately after Starks tweet was someone saying The Angels could have Harper and Trout by Christmas.  

[TroutField]

21 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Spending your prospect currency to win now and leaving nothing in the tank for the bulk of when trout would be here for his extension almost guarantees that he doesn’t stay. But let’s win now!  Bully!!

Actually, We’re going to find out very soon about the importance of going all out to win so we can keep trout. 

If Eppler stays conservative then I think we have our answer. 

Just to be clear, guys. Life would go on if Mike Trout left, we would still have a nice young group of players and a GM dedicated to improving the overall stability of the franchise. 

[Taylor]

This thread will go 5 pages with people saying the same things that have been said for years.

Edge: Lowell Ken Stark

[tdawg87]

Guys he didn't want to start an argument.

[totdprods]

It’s also worth keeping in mind that Trout was here when Arte did spend to win it all - Pujols, Hamilton, Wilson - and it didn’t work out, it killed payroll, it killed the farm, and set up years of struggles. 

Mike has firsthand seen what spending and trading in an all-out effort to win actually can result in. 

For all we know, he’s looking at what Eppler has been building towards and is in agreement that his best chance to win in the playoffs is 2020-2027, leading a team of cheap talented prospects headed by Adell, rather than going to a Philly or NY team that spent big on FAs. 

He’s been on a team with a pitcher who left tens of millions on the table to live more than comfortably and leave the team in a position to still spend and improve, and on a team that added a legendary hitter on a legendary contract to leave a place was beloved, and he’s been on a team that wooed away a superstar who immediately crumbled and he’s been on a team that a once-in-a-lifetime talent chose over literally any team. He’s been on a team with a talented outfielder who has bounced around for years and struggled in free agency to find a home. There are lots of players who’ve had Mike’s ear over the years to add their input on what is important and what they might regret. 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

I just feel in 2 years time, we'll  have a better chance to  put a team on the  field than the Phils. 

im curious, based on what?

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Spending your prospect currency to win now and leaving nothing in the tank for the bulk of when trout would be here for his extension almost guarantees that he doesn’t stay. But let’s win now!  Bully!!

Actually, We’re going to find out very soon about the importance of going all out to win so we can keep trout. 

If Eppler stays conservative then I think we have our answer. 

noone suggested anything about prospects in regard to this. 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Flop if playing close to home matters then we should be fine with Harper on the Angels, Arrenado on the Angels, Moustakas on the Angels, Kelly on the Angels.  Also Suzuki would be an Angel if this was a big factor for players.  We also are just a couple years away from signing Gerrit Cole, since he’s a Newport Beach guy  

The difference between Jason Stark and guys on here is he spews this speculation because he gets paid to get clicks.  Where guys on here are panicking based on their perception of the team which isn’t always unbiased.  

The best was the tweet immediately after Starks tweet was someone saying The Angels could have Harper and Trout by Christmas.  

it doesnt matter to everyone, its not an absolute, but some people are very much ingrained in thier hometowns and lifestyle, i think we all know Trouts one of them.
It may not matter, i dont know the man so say, but his behavior suggests that it will at least enter into the discussion.

[totdprods]

I still think Trout signs an extension with the Angels before free agency. And it winds up being a lot less than people will expect. And it will include multiple opt-outs in case he wants to leave.

Everyone’s a winner.

[jordan]

43 minutes ago, totdprods said:

It’s also worth keeping in mind that Trout was here when Arte did spend to win it all - Pujols, Hamilton, Wilson - and it didn’t work out, it killed payroll, it killed the farm, and set up years of struggles. 

Mike has firsthand seen what spending and trading in an all-out effort to win actually can result in. 

For all we know, he’s looking at what Eppler has been building towards and is in agreement that his best chance to win in the playoffs is 2020-2027, leading a team of cheap talented prospects headed by Adell, rather than going to a Philly or NY team that spent big on FAs. 

He’s been on a team with a pitcher who left tens of millions on the table to live more than comfortably and leave the team in a position to still spend and improve, and on a team that added a legendary hitter on a legendary contract to leave a place was beloved, and he’s been on a team that wooed away a superstar who immediately crumbled and he’s been on a team that a once-in-a-lifetime talent chose over literally any team. He’s been on a team with a talented outfielder who has bounced around for years and struggled in free agency to find a home. There are lots of players who’ve had Mike’s ear over the years to add their input on what is important and what they might regret. 

I think on a similar note, it’s gotta be more appealing to win with a team where you got your start.  Seems like it would be more gratifying to win it all after having years of struggle, a la Moustakas/Gordon and Royals, and Rizzo and Cubs.  I’m not saying their contract situations were just like Trout’s, but it would seem to be appealing to win with the team who drafted you/came up with.  

Edited November 23, 2018 by jordan

[ettin]

3 hours ago, floplag said:

https://theathletic.com/670243/2018/11/23/stark-bryce-harper-and-mike-trout-together-in-philly-someday-its-not-crazy/

For those who wonder why some of us think things like winnings and the next year or two matter, were not the only ones thinking stuff like this.
I'm not looking to start the whole argument again but it isnt something many of us just pull out of our rears when notable baseball media are having the same thoughts.
So many players we hear so often about  playing closer to home when we read their free agency preferences, its hard to ignore.
 

 

3 hours ago, jordan said:

It’s a slow off season.  Ken, and his friends, need some click bait. 

It is a Jayson Stark article, so that should be the grain of salt you should be taking with the read.

[Stradling]

I have no idea if Trout wants to play close to home, or if he likes the separation, I only know what I have heard.  That being said, Harper is from out this way, so the entire notion that players want to be close to home is basically torn to shit by the fact that they could both be in the same outfield.  Players choose where they play based on a ton of different things, one would be playing close to home, however we have no indication if that is priority one or priority 10.  So if we want to assume he is going back home to play, it will be based solely on your own personal belief and not based on anything he has ever said.  Because if you listen to what he says, you would feel a lot better about staying here.  

[Stradling]

One last thing on Trout.  Almost everything he says falls under the category of, “he has to say that” or “of course he said that”.   So when he says he likes to play here or he wants to play in the post season or that he’d give up any self accomplishment for a team accomplishment, they all fall in that category.  

[totdprods]

And FWIW I still think the Angels could wind up dark horse Harper candidates. It is a bit too harmonious to so many past Arte-era decisions.

[Angel Oracle]

32 minutes ago, totdprods said:

And FWIW I still think the Angels could wind up dark horse Harper candidates. It is a bit too harmonious to so many past Arte-era decisions.

And based on the Halos past FA signings of FAs from other teams, he would likely put up one strong year and then one decent year, rinse and repeat, just as he has for the Nats.  

And regarding those numerous wall collisions earlier in his career, could that jump up and turn him into Pete Reiser?   Granted the walls are less hard than they were back in 1940s-1950s, although was Aaron Rowand never the same after hitting one wall hard in Philly several years back?

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

And based on the Halos past FA signings of FAs from other teams, he would likely put up one strong year and then one decent year, rinse and repeat, just as he has for the Nats.   And regarding those numerous wall collisions earlier in his career, could that jump up and turn him into Pete Reiser?   Granted the walls are less hard than they were back in the 1940s-1950s.

He might. I could also see him leveling off some too, being removed as the sole ‘superstar’ on the team. He obviously had great hitters around him in Washington, but no one with the talent *and* star power that Trout and Ohtani would carry.

Harper leading off or hitting second in front of those two would be the best environment as any for him to steady out his production.

[cez]

3 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Spending your prospect currency to win now and leaving nothing in the tank for the bulk of when trout would be here for his extension almost guarantees that he doesn’t stay.

Basing decisions in the here and now off of where Trout might choose to  go in 2021 would be brain dead moronic. 

If Eppler/Moreno think like that, the Angels are doomed to at least another half decade of nothing.