Rosenthal: Angels looking to shed payroll

[Second Base]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/rosenthals-latest-greinke-santana-angels-harper-orioles-machado.html

Kole Calhoun, Blake Parker and Matt Shoemaker are cited. I'm probably one of the bigger proponents of trading Calhoun, but I admit I am curious to see how he performs with a hitting coach who has "fixed" his swing before. Blake Parker isn't operating on a guaranteed contract, so I don't see any reason why the Angels should feel like they're stuck there. They could trade him and a dozen teams would probably offer a low level prospect for him. And as far as Shoemaker goes, 4 million for a starting pitcher is pretty reasonable all things considered. If he were a free agent, he'd probably get a guaranteed 2-3 million with incentives. If there's room, I'd like to see them keep Shoe in the bullpen and handle multiple innings, and then move him into the rotation in the event of injury. 

[Torridd]

I'm all for trading Calhoun and Parker, but I'd like them to put Shoemaker in the pen. I think he's more help to the team than without him.

[Vlad27Trout27]

I think Parker stays unless a really good trade comes up, with shoemaker i think we can non-tender him and resign to a cheaper deal.....Calhoun we shall see.

[totdprods]

I think they’ll be able to trade Parker fairly easily. Maybe they’ll get a Maldonado-caliber catcher or 4th OF help for him. Agree on Shoemaker being someone they try to re-sign on a lesser deal.

[floplag]

I find this disturbing, were talking about shedding salary now?  Really?

[eligrba]

It should be expected if Eppler wants to sign some quality pitchers.

[Angelsfan1984]

17 minutes ago, floplag said:

I find this disturbing, were talking about shedding salary now?  Really?

my guess is its shedding to make room for someone else or many someone else's...pretty sure that's not a word but lets go with it.

[floplag]

2 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

my guess is its shedding to make room for someone else or many someone else's...pretty sure that's not a word but lets go with it.

If thats the case the person better be a lot better than the names were linked to to make losing Show for another pitcher make sense.  Plus who the hell actually plays RF if we deal Kole?  One thing we learned last year is that we dont really have  another RF.

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

If thats the case the person better be a lot better than the names were linked to to make losing Show for another pitcher make sense.  Plus who the hell actually plays RF if we deal Kole?  One thing we learned last year is that we dont really have  another RF.

Just to stir up trouble, there is a right fielder on the market.

3,2,1... Go nuts! 

[floplag]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Just to stir up trouble, there is a right fielder on the market.

3,2,1... Go nuts! 

But.. just to be a disk since im good at it .... we wont have any money for them if it goes to arms.  Besides were cutting payroll remember   

[Angelsfan1984]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Just to stir up trouble, there is a right fielder on the market.

3,2,1... Go nuts! 

I mean that is a factual statement.

[Angelsfan1984]

Just now, floplag said:

But.. just to be a disk since im good at it .... we wont have any money for them if it goes to arms.  Besides were cutting payroll remember   

IF they trade Kole and Blake and non tender Shoe, that gives them close to 50M in the parameters that Jeff Fletcher mentioned including the original 30. At that point they could sign the head and shoulders commercial model, attempt a trade for DeGrom, sign Suzuki and then a couple of turd burglars for the pen. That all fits the 50M box.

[Angel Oracle]

With Adell not far away, Kole becomes that much closer to being traded/not-resigned anyway.

I'd definitely trade Parker for a lower level prospect maybe crowded out in another org.

Shoe is intriguing, in that he could handle a multitude of roles. 

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

With Adell not far away, Kole becomes that much closer to being traded/not-resigned anyway.

I'd definitely trade Parker for a lower level prospect maybe crowded out in another org.

Shoe is intriguing, in that he could handle a multitude of roles. 

Most of those roles start with a number like 15 day or 60 day

[Angel Oracle]

21 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

IF they trade Kole and Blake and non tender Shoe, that gives them close to 50M in the parameters that Jeff Fletcher mentioned including the original 30. At that point they could sign the head and shoulders commercial model, attempt a trade for DeGrom, sign Suzuki and then a couple of turd burglars for the pen. That all fits the 50M box.

That model is very expensive for an up and down seasons performer, granted he would not be the flop that the other Head and Shoulders model RF was here.  I'd rather go with a one year inexpensive stop gap (hopefully not as bad as Joyce) in Kole's place, until Adell is ready.

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, Angelsfan1984 said:

Most of those roles start with a number like 15 day or 60 day

LOL

Although Fletch has mentioned that the main injury was the one that was misdiagnosed originally.   He may well be fine, for now.  

[DMVol]

I am frequently wrong but I'm not sure Calhoun has much trade value if you want a team to pick up the entire 10 million he is owed....

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

That model is very expensive, granted he would not be the flop that the other Head and Shoulders model RF was here.

They just need to stick with bald guys lol

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

LOL

Although Fletch has mentioned that the main injury was the one that was misdiagnosed originally.   He may well be fine, for now.  

I really like Shoe, I think when healthy he is a perfect back end of the rotation guy. I'm wondering if he wouldn't just be better in the pen. His splitter could be really nice to induce some ground balls late in innings.

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

I am frequently wrong but I'm not sure Calhoun has much trade value if you want a team to pick up the entire 8 million he is owed....

The team that trades for him has already been promised a Mike Trout autographed rally monkey. That's got to count for something right?

[Angel Oracle]

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

I am frequently wrong but I'm not sure Calhoun has much trade value if you want a team to pick up the entire 10 million he is owed....

I'm okay with trading him for a lower level prospect blocked in a strong farm system, and then the other team taking on the great majority of that 2019 contract.

[DMVol]

Just now, Angelsfan1984 said:

The team that trades for him has already been promised a Mike Trout autographed rally monkey. That's got to count for something right?

Corrected the #....he is owed 10.5....that much more unlikely he has much of a market....

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, DMVol said:

Corrected the #....he is owed 10.5....that much more unlikely he has much of a market....

I'm happy with someone eating $7-8 million of that.

[Docwaukee]

Curious.  This can be interpreted in many different ways.  

My gut reaction is 'what the f**k!?'  Arte can't afford a payroll of $175mil?  If that's the case then maybe having the 8th highest revenue doesn't get you what it used to.  

Then I see the names mentioned and think that maybe they're just trying to figure out how to get better value. 

Parker can be replaced for less than 3.1m. 

If someone is willing to take on Calhoun's 2019 salary plus 2020 buyout of 1m then it would be interesting to see who we use to replace him.  If we get a platoon that includes Jabari Blash, I'm gonna go nuts.  If Herm becomes the everyday RFer for now, I don't think that's a good idea either.  Maybe they will try to exchange bad contracts and get a pitcher

Why don't they try to move Cozart's salary?  Seems as if someone would take that on in need of a SS.  

Shoe seems like a cheap back of the rotation starter and depth piece.  If they think they can get him for less, then I guess they should try but what are they going to save?  1-2m?  

@Jeff Fletcher any insight on this?  

 

[Chuck]

If I'm the Angels I'm trying to free that $$$ up to better spend it elsewhere. 

Would be great if we're able to unload Calhoun, Cozart and Parker even if it means we're getting just lower level, B grade prospects in return. 

[Lou]

"The Angels are wary of dipping into their farm system to improve the major-league squad, as they’ve worked hard to rebuild their prospect pool. Still, they have a relatively desperate need for pitching and are, therefore, looking to shed salary where they can."

open the links, gentlemen