Angels hire Doug White for Pitching Coach

[OregonLAA]

Astros bullpen coach. Guess Nagy is gone. Reported by Rosenthal

[GrittyVeterans]

Maybe he can bring Verlander, Cole and Morton with him

[Docwaukee]

I liked Nagy.  I guess they're starting from the start.  

[totdprods]

Can’t really disagree with poaching talent from the Astros these days.

[T.G.]

Let's increase those spin rates...haha

[JarsOfClay]

24 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I liked Nagy.  I guess they're starting from the start.  

What did you like about him? We had Tommy Johns galore while he was here and not one pitcher improved with him.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Lots of instructional videos from him on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrJ8HPum8WhgpzBIto82kkQ

[red321]

Well, pretty clear they are going to revamp almost the entire coaching staff, if not all of it (with the exception of maybe someone like Paul)

[stormngt]

Just now, JarsOfClay said:

What did you like about him? We had Tommy Johns galore while he was here and not one pitcher improved with him.

WTF

I guess pick offs and holding the runner means nothing and the pitching coach causes arm injuries!

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

What did you like about him? We had Tommy Johns galore while he was here and not one pitcher improved with him.

The 55 reclamation projects picked off the waiver wire that turned into useful arms says different.   Funny thing about guys with a history of arm issues -- they break down.   

[NorCal Halo]

“If a man is not a Socialist at 20 he has no heart, but if he remains one at 30 he has no head.”

And if he is moved by pithy statements at any time, he has no balls. -- Eugene V. Debs

[failos]

Without knowing much about him, I do think it's unusual to hire a bullpen coach to become a pitching coach. Having said that, I'm sure he's much better than Naggles.

[krAbs]

Taking pitching coaches from the Astros? Yes please.

[Stradling]

Do people really blame a pitching coach for pitching injuries like UCL damage?  

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

What did you like about him? We had Tommy Johns galore while he was here and not one pitcher improved with him.

Felix Pena, Hansel Robles, Taylor Cole, Jim Johnson, Blake Parker, Parker Bridwell, JC Ramirez, David Hernandez, Yusmeiro Petit, Alex Meyer, Bud Norris and a few others.  

Someone in the org has been making chicken salad out of chicken shit for the last 3 years.  We've spent almost nothing on the pitching staff and pen the last 3 years and Eppler has been pulling guys off the scrap heap left and right.  Not sure Nagy gets all the credit for making a lot of those guys serviceable but he gets some. 

and if you're blaming the prevalence of TJ surg on Nagy, then we aren't going to have any sort of conversation.    

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Do people really blame a pitching coach for pitching injuries like UCL damage?  

They can if they are changing a pitchers natural mechanics to throw pitches they we're never accustomed to pitching. Or putting them into pre game or post game routines that cause more stress on the arm. There are plenty of ways a pitching coach can destroy a players health by not understanding physiology but I kind of doubt those guys exist anymore. 

[krAbs]

Honestly...a pitching coach causing pitching injuries doesn't sound crazy to me. Isn't one of the main jobs of a pitching coach to manage how his pitchers pitch, condition, and manage their workload? Like, its impossible to tell if our pitching injuries are because we've been unlucky, because we have picked injury prone pitchers, or because we have had problems conditioning our pitchers. Without inside information, we can't really know for sure. But, its not really a crazy thing to suggest.

Per Wikipedia (the most scholarly of sources) :
"A pitching coach mentors and trains teams' pitchers. He advises the manager on the condition of pitchers and their arms, and serves as an in-game coach for the pitcher currently on the mound."

Are the thousands of TJ surgeries our pitching coach's fault? Probably not. But its not totally crazy to suggest that he has some responsibility for at least some of the injuries we've had.

 

^^All that being said, Dochalo is 100% right. We have worked miracles with pitchers - especially relievers.

[Second Base]

That sucks, I liked Nagy, and thought the Angels did an amazing job with scrap heap pitchers. 

[Glen]

Are people really surprised that Ausmus is bringing in his own staff?

 

 

[Second Base]

Put it like this.....

Doug White is from San Diego, Billy Eppler is from San Diego. 

Doug White enjoys surfing.  Billy Eppler enjoys surfing. 

Doug White tries new things when it comes to coaching pitchers. 

Billy Eppler is always looking for a new way of doing things.  Looking to get an edge. 

So basically, Billy and Doug were surfing, and Doug totally stole Billy's wave and he was like "woah bro" and Doug was like "my bad bro", and then Billy's like, "you like coaching pitchers bro" and Doug was like, "yeah bro, totes".  Then they got a beer and Billy introduced Doug to his bro, Brad, who is also like totally a coach.  They hit it off over some chips and guac and now he's the pitching coach. 

[failos]

30 minutes ago, Second Base said:

That sucks, I liked Nagy, and thought the Angels did an amazing job with scrap heap pitchers. 

You give him credit for the good things, but refuse to acknowledge his possible role in TJ injuries? I don’t get that

[Angel Oracle]

4 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Put it like this.....

Doug White is from San Diego, Billy Eppler is from San Diego. 

Doug White enjoys surfing.  Billy Eppler enjoys surfing. 

Doug White tries new things when it comes to coaching pitchers. 

Billy Eppler is always looking for a new way of doing things.  Looking to get an edge. 

So basically, Billy and Doug were surfing, and Doug totally stole Billy's wave and he was like "woah bro" and Doug was like "my bad bro", and then Billy's like, "you like coaching pitchers bro" and Doug was like, "yeah bro, totes".  Then they got a beer and Billy introduced Doug to his bro, Brad, who is also like totally a coach.  They hit it off over some chips and guac and now he's the pitching coach. 

This should sooooo be a Geico commercial. 

[T.G.]

Reading a bit more about this guy on mlbtraderumors... I see he's a ZHealth specialist and also spent time in the Cardinals organization as a "pitching guru"

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/angels-hire-doug-white-as-pitching-coach.html

 

[T.G.]

Doug White was named the Astros bullpen coach on Nov. 13, 2017. The 2018 season is White's sixth in the Astros organization, including the last two years (2016-17) as the Astros minor league pitching coordinator. White originally joined the organization in 2013 as pitching coach for the Class A Short Season Tri-City ValleyCats, where he helped lead the club to a New York-Penn League Championship title. He then spent two seasons as Houston's roving pitching instructor (2014-15). Before joining the Astros, White spent five seasons as a pitching coach in the Cardinals minor league system. From 2009-12, he was with Rookie Level Johnson City, winning back-to-back Appalachian League Championship titles in 2010 and 2011. Prior to his stint with Johnson City, he was the pitching coach for the 2008 New York-Penn League champion Batavia MuckDogs. White was also a pitching coach for manager Jack Clark at Mid-Missouri of the Independent Frontier League in 2004, and was the extended Spring Training and Gulf Coast League pitching coach for the Expos in 2003. White has extensive experience as a pitching instructor and is the founder of "Passion for Pitching", which is housed in Southern California. White is a 2002 graduate of Arizona State University and is a certified Zhealth specialist focused on enhancing movement patterns in his athletes. During the offseason, White resides in San Diego, Calif. where he spends most of his time surfing.

 

http://m.mlb.com/hou/roster/coach/534449/doug-white

[T.G.]

More...

http://sportsenergygroup.com/sec/doug-white/

Doug White has a passion for coaching and providing guidance to athletes.  White is currently going into his 5th year in the St Louis Cardinals organization (7th overall) as a minor league pitching coach and has won 3 championships in his first four years with the organization.  White is also a proud owner of Passion for Pitching where he is able to work with all types of athletes in all different age groups.  Every day Doug practices the Art of Allowing through the teachings of Abraham-Hicks, and deliberately create a life and atmosphere that assists him in being a better coach and person.  Through meditation and awareness of my emotions Doug continues to practice each day and can confidently say it gets better and better.  When he works with his athletes, he focuses towards creating a relationship that allows him to introduce the teachings on a more personal and inspirational level.

 

 

Guess its time to break out the incence...