2018 Hot Stove League

[failos]

24 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels are inept at drafting 3rd baseman. They need to trade for one or sign one. They are apparently inept at doing that too. Freese was the closest they've gotten to an actual 3rd baseman since Glaus left. It's pathetic.

Figgins and Callaspo

[UndertheHalo]

Figgins was a good player they stuck at 3b.  Definitely not your prototypical 3B.  

And Callapso was as average a baseball player as the Angels have ever had. 

[Pancake Bear]

29 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels are inept at drafting 3rd baseman. They need to trade for one or sign one. They are apparently inept at doing that too. Freese was the closest they've gotten to an actual 3rd baseman since Glaus left. It's pathetic.

Someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about. In what way was Freese better than Figgins, or even Callaspo? 

[floplag]

34 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels are inept at drafting 3rd baseman. They need to trade for one or sign one. They are apparently inept at doing that too. Freese was the closest they've gotten to an actual 3rd baseman since Glaus left. It's pathetic.

I really dont think its an Angels problem, i look around the league and there are fewer real 3B stars today than in the past. 

[beatlesrule]

Figgins last how long? Callaspo how long? It is an Angels problem when they refuse to even sign a 3rd baseman in FA. I don't have the stats in front of me but I have to think they are at the bottom of the league at 3rd since Glaus left. Oh and they let Glaus walk because they thought McPherson would be ready. Great move.

[Stradling]

47 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels are inept at drafting 3rd baseman. They need to trade for one or sign one. They are apparently inept at doing that too. Freese was the closest they've gotten to an actual 3rd baseman since Glaus left. It's pathetic.

This is such a crock of shit

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Figgins last how long? Callaspo how long? It is an Angels problem when they refuse to even sign a 3rd baseman in FA. I don't have the stats in front of me but I have to think they are at the bottom of the league at 3rd since Glaus left. Oh and they let Glaus walk because they thought McPherson would be ready. Great move.

McPherson was ready, then got the back injury

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

The Angels would be stupid as F*ck to spend on Josh Harrison when they wouldn't go 9m for Ottavino...

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

The Angels would be stupid as F*ck to spend on Josh Harrison when they wouldn't go 9m for Ottavino...

They are not interested in Harrison.  Fletcher has said multiple times that more times than not when you hear multiple teams interested in a player it is an agent leaking the story to create interest in that player.  

[Lou]

5 hours ago, WeatherWonk said:

But it could be a concern that would prevent us FROM signing him. 

lol

On January 19, 2019 at 2:17 PM, Lou said:

I guarantee you this would be of ZERO concern if we were to sign Machado 

 

[beatlesrule]

And then what? He gets injured and that's that. Stoneman put all his eggs in the Dallas basket. He let a 27 year old Glaus walk. Way too many players have played 3rd base for the Angels over the years. That means they weren't that great or were borderline terrible. They could have traded for Cabrera and didn't. They could have signed Beltre and didn't. They could have used their first round picks on 3rd baseman(only used it on Cowart and we all know how that turned out) or traded for a good 3rd baseman and didn't. This ORG is pretty clueless when it comes to 3rd baseman.  They had a very good 3rd baseman in Glaus and haven't replaced him since even though they've had the opportunities to.  To my knowledge, Cowart was the only 3rd baseman they drafted in the first round since they let Glaus go and obviously, their judgement there was also terrible.

Hell, Donaldson was just a FA and they didn't sign him.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Im fully on board with knocking the org for not signing beltre. That was the beginning of the downfall.

You need to let go of the glaus thing, though. It came down to glaus or GA....pick your poison. 

GA got sick, Mcpherson got hurt. Thats the breaks. But its not like we had ready LFs coming up after GA that solidified the spot. Thats been as barren as 3B.

[Docwaukee]

15 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

And then what? He gets injured and that's that. Stoneman put all his eggs in the Dallas basket. He let a 27 year old Glaus walk. Way too many players have played 3rd base for the Angels over the years. That means they weren't that great or were borderline terrible. They could have traded for Cabrera and didn't. They could have signed Beltre and didn't. They could have used their first round picks on 3rd baseman(only used it on Cowart and we all know how that turned out) or traded for a good 3rd baseman and didn't. This ORG is pretty clueless when it comes to 3rd baseman.  They had a very good 3rd baseman in Glaus and haven't replaced him since even though they've had the opportunities to.  To my knowledge, Cowart was the only 3rd baseman they drafted in the first round since they let Glaus go and obviously, their judgement there was also terrible.

you know that Glaus play about half a season in each of 2003 and 2004 due to injury before he was let go?  

 

[Docwaukee]

5 minutes ago, RBM said:

Enough about Taylor Ward already. He is not hot stove relevant. He’s back burner without a flame. 

he's not though.  He and Fletcher are going to get an equal shot and they should.  Regardless of what people think about Ward's first look in the majors, he's gonna get a chance to grab the everyday 3b job.  And it's actually very important that he does get that shot because his upside could be far more important to the long term outlook of this team than David Fletcher's.  

Yes, the odds are lower that he realizes his minor league numbers but an avg defending 3 WAR 3bman would be huge and you need to find that out.  If the Angels go out and sign a guy like Moustakas late in the off season, then it will be clear they don't think he's ready or even ever capable of being that guy.  Many would disagree, but there's no better time than now to find that out.  

[beatlesrule]

Yes but Glaus was proven and it also meant he could be had at a discount. He only got 4/45 million from the Dbacks. Stoneman had no one to replace Dallas if anything went wrong. Just a bad decision all around.

[Inside Pitch]

27 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Yes but Glaus was proven and it also meant he could be had at a discount. He only got 4/45 million from the Dbacks. Stoneman had no one to replace Dallas if anything went wrong. Just a bad decision all around.

There was not going to be any discount there was a great deal of bad blood at the time.  Glaus chose to have shoulder surgery in season that year to protect his FA rather than have it in the off-season and have teams try to lowball him because "concerns about his shoulder".   He did what was right for him but it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, both in the clubhouse and in the front offfice.  That was an uglier scene that was ever let on because both sides felt the other was trying to shield itself from the other side trying to screw them.

[stormngt]

38 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Yes but Glaus was proven and it also meant he could be had at a discount. He only got 4/45 million from the Dbacks. Stoneman had no one to replace Dallas if anything went wrong. Just a bad decision all 

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

you know that Glaus play about half a season in each of 2003 and 2004 due to injury before he was let go?  

 

 

Glaus did play 150 games three of the next four seasons

[jsnpritchett]

 

[Stradling]

If you see the Angels trade any of their current 40 man roster guys for prospects expect them to sign a free agent pretty much right away.  

[Lou]

1 hour ago, beatlesrule said:

Yes but Glaus was proven and it also meant he could be had at a discount. He only got 4/45 million from the Dbacks. Stoneman had no one to replace Dallas if anything went wrong. Just a bad decision all around.

At that salary (based on avg/yr) , Glaus would have been the 2nd highest paid Angel in 2005, behind only Vladdy's $12.5M. 

[Pancake Bear]

Glaus
2000 - 8.2 WAR; 150 wRC+ (1st, 1st)
2001 - 5.3 WAR; 133 wRC+ (7th, 4th)
2002 - 3.7 WAR; 114 wRC+ (7th, 8th)
2003 - 0.5 WAR; 112 wRC+ (NR - Spiezio, 1.5 WAR; 102 wRC+)
2004 - 1.5 WAR; 138 wRC+ (NR - Figgins, 3.5 WAR; 105 wRC+)

Figgins
2005 - 2.7 WAR; 104 wRC+ (11th, 13th)
2006 - 0.6 WAR; 87 wRC+ (NR)
2007 - 4.0 WAR; 122 wRC+ (8th, 7th)
2008 - 3.2 WAR; 91 wRC+ (8th, 16th)
2009 - 6.5 WAR; 116 wRC+ (3rd, 13th)

2010 (NR)

Callaspo
2011 - 3.5 WAR; 109 wRC+ (4th, 9th)
2012 - 2.9 WAR; 98 wRC+ (10th, 14th)

2013 (NR)

Freese
2014 - 2.5 WAR; 105 wRC+ (13th, 14th)
2015 - 2.2 WAR; 108 wRC+ (19th, 20th)

Escobar
2016 - 1.6 WAR; 107 wRC+ (25th, 23rd)
2017 - 0.7 WAR; 100 wRC+ (NR, 28th)

3B position rank in MLB by fWAR:

2018 - 24th

2017 - 19th
2016 - 23rd

2015 - 23rd
2014 - 16th

2013 - 25th

2012 - 11th
2011 - 3rd

2010 - 30th

2009 - 4th
2008 - 21st
2007 - 3rd
2006 - 23rd
2005 - 10th

2004 - 5th
2003 - 16th
2002 - 11th
2001 - 5th
2000 - 1st

Freese was below average, even if you just look at offense. Callaspo was considerably better, and Figgins, while inconsistent, had several great seasons. Glaus was done after 2002. His 2000-2002 were great, but largely steroid results, iirc. 

2010, 2013, and 2018 were all awful. But the notion that we haven't had a real 3B since Glaus left other than Freese(???) is laughably incorrect.

[Chuck]

Do you guys think the Cubs would flip Zobrist for Calhoun?

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Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic writes that the Cubs have "bandied about the idea of trading Ben Zobrist this offseason."

Zobrist is set to play an integral role for the Cubs again in 2019, particularly early on in the season while Addison Russell serves the remainder of his suspension. That said, the team has evidently considered trading him for bullpen help and payroll space. However, it does not appear at this point that any deal involving Zobrist is close. The veteran utility player will turn 38 in May and is slated for free agency after the upcoming season. He'll earn $12.5 million in 2019.

 

 

Source: The Athletic

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Do you guys think the Cubs would flip Zobrist for Calhoun?

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Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic writes that the Cubs have "bandied about the idea of trading Ben Zobrist this offseason."

Zobrist is set to play an integral role for the Cubs again in 2019, particularly early on in the season while Addison Russell serves the remainder of his suspension. That said, the team has evidently considered trading him for bullpen help and payroll space. However, it does not appear at this point that any deal involving Zobrist is close. The veteran utility player will turn 38 in May and is slated for free agency after the upcoming season. He'll earn $12.5 million in 2019.

 

 

Source: The Athletic

Hell no 

[jsnpritchett]

6 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Do you guys think the Cubs would flip Zobrist for Calhoun?

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Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic writes that the Cubs have "bandied about the idea of trading Ben Zobrist this offseason."

Zobrist is set to play an integral role for the Cubs again in 2019, particularly early on in the season while Addison Russell serves the remainder of his suspension. That said, the team has evidently considered trading him for bullpen help and payroll space. However, it does not appear at this point that any deal involving Zobrist is close. The veteran utility player will turn 38 in May and is slated for free agency after the upcoming season. He'll earn $12.5 million in 2019.

 

 

Source: The Athletic

Doesn't really save them much.  Calhoun will make $10.5M this year, plus he has a $1M buyout for 2020 (assuming no one is stupid enough to pick up his option for $14M).

[wopphil]

I'd love to acquire Zobrist.