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Kick Joe West Out of Baseball


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Joe West is bad, but that play is not on West, not even a little bit. There were enough camera angles to make the right call using replay.  This is a rule problem.   If a fan reaches into the field of play that’s interference.  If a player makes a play on a ball IN the stands there should be no interference.  

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30 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Joe West is bad, but that play is not on West, not even a little bit. There were enough camera angles to make the right call using replay.  This is a rule problem.   If a fan reaches into the field of play that’s interference.  If a player makes a play on a ball IN the stands there should be no interference.  

 

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43 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Joe West is bad, but that play is not on West, not even a little bit. There were enough camera angles to make the right call using replay.  This is a rule problem.   If a fan reaches into the field of play that’s interference.  If a player makes a play on a ball IN the stands there should be no interference.  

100% this.  
Not to mention it appears he was closing he glove prior to being touched of the leather would have bent differently.  
Either way how the hades do you assume an out? 

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His glove only closed early because it hit a fans hand.  I’m not sure how you call it an out.   Since I posted this I saw something that shows he may NOT have been reaching in the stands.  There’s a fan who helps give perspective as to where this happened in relation to the field and the seats.  A fan to the right that has a gray shirt on has his hand on the top of the yellow line of the fence and looks to be leaning forward or at least even with the fence. 

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We need umpires that understand that every close call should go against the Red Sox.

The fans in that section should have caught Betts, pulled him into the stands and made him disappear.  I mean what's the point in having home field advantage if you can't do things like that?

Joe West, Angel Hernandez and C.B. Buckner all need to go.  Throw Doug Eddings in there too.  C'mon AW moderators - get it done. 

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29 minutes ago, True Grich said:

The guy in the grey shirt took his eyes off the ball. What a rookie. The guy in the jeans reaching over, isn't even wearing any Astros gear. What's up with that? The guy in orange is the only one who made a legitimate effort.

They’d be crucified if it was Wrigley Field....ask Bartman....

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Umpiring to me is like many other fields including the one i work in, which is IT management.  I've always felt that the best of us were those that people hardly knew our names.  It meant we did our job, we werent having to be constantly called, and things ran how they should.  I think umpire are largely the same, the ones we know are NOT in a good way.  Those who want thier name known, thats ego, not ability.  

I think this call was asinine on many levels.   Since when do we assume outs?  Since when is interference an out?  Since when is the player entitled to anything in the stands?  I look at that reply and i see his glove closing without assistance before the ball gets there, a missed catch.    Bos was given a gift by MLB.  

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4 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

They only way that wasn't fan interference is if Betts reached into the seats. I couldn't tell one way or the other from the replay. Unless they install cameras pointing along the fence lines it's just a judgement call.

Does the fact that Betts glove was closed when the fan touched the ball have any relevance?  Betts would never have caught the ball.

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4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

His glove was closed because it came in contact with fans hands, so no.

Thats entirely debatable, i didnt see it that way at all.  If his glove was touched the leather would have bent partially where it was touched, not closed in unison.  Alternatively his arm would have moved from push if his hand was strong enough. 
Honestly though, why does it matter?  it was obviously over the wall and fair play to fans, there is nothing that makes that illegal at all even if it was true, in fact its quite the contrary.  In play or player side of the wall is one thing, but this was clearly not that. 

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1 minute ago, floplag said:

Thats entirely debatable, i didnt see it that way at all.  If his glove was touched the leather would have bent partially where it was touched, not closed in unison.  Alternatively his arm would have moved from push if his hand was strong enough. 
Honestly though, why does it matter?  it was obviously over the wall and fair play to fans, there is nothing that makes that illegal at all even if it was true, in fact its quite the contrary.  In play or player side of the wall is one thing, but this was clearly not that. 

It was above the wall and would have gone out, but it’s debatable on where the fans made contact with his glove.   And yes him flying through the air (exaggeration maybe) glove open, his glove comes in contact with the fans and his glove closes because it was stopped while he was in motion.  

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